Propellerhead's RECORD

[wakestyle]

Gave it a try, I thought it's very nice. It's a good sequel to reason, but you need to have reason installed for the usual devices. They should have included them imo.

Good
-finally able to adjust windows horizontally! Windows look good IMO.
-sequencer window looks good
-opens reason files no problem

Bad
- searching for sounds is FREAKING SLOW AS HELL!!!
you can't use the seach function without going to the store while it searches. uggg this is the main reason I turned away from reason a while back. We need a proper indexing function here... badly.

[greattapes]

Not interested in Reason one little bit. Not interested in 3rd party plugins either. I make folk, indie rock and electronic music with all original, broken-down, sticky, dusty instruments (no VSTs). Think Chad Vangaalen or someone ike that. Am I still going to be able to appreciate Record as someone who doesn't use Reason? I definitely think so, I don't see why not, but I keep reading comments that suggest otherwise and it bugs me a little

[jjdpro]

Ok.. Finally got my beta copy.. ..

I love it !! As a Nuendo, Pro tools, Logic, EMU Paris user, this new DAW from Propellerhead is very cool. Easy to get around..Sounds good. I love the tempo matching feature. The editor is simple and to the point.. But,the thing that makes this over the top, is that if you have Reasons, you have a really nice production setup.

As a longtime Reasons user, I have been asking for the recording feature for a long time. Well, now, they have delivered.. And, I'm buying!!!

[remo]

can you load external midi instrument patch names into record and call them up ala .midnam files in protools?

[amnesiacjimmy]

Iv e had Record on the go for about 3 weeks now.It is an awesome package. I grew up using Logic and have learnt Protools in some depth and basics of Cubase, but Record is truly an amazing product. Sure it wont replace Logic PT or Cubase, but the way i see it, if you got a non-Mac you can now do all the things you need without rewiring and the sound is really really good.

It may not be up to hi end pro studio stuff but some on here prefer it to Protools and i can see why. I'm trying to get a project on the go wi laptops teaching young offenders how to record stuff and this will run on machines out of the box. If you already know Reason it's a no-brainer. No need to rewire into Cubase which comes with limited synth stuff from what I've seen unless you buy lots of add-ons.

I also read about some of you wanting VST support and i can understand that, but you can for example put your guitar through any number of fx sends and/or inserts and the combination is really limitless. If it comes out at £250 that is a real bargain too. Whats not to like, as they say?

[HomeProducer]

Can somebody answer this simple question?

I am interested in the SLL buss compressor. Is the buss compressor in Record a really nice sounding device or do i need to get an SSL console for that sound? Has anyone critically tested this compressor?

[jjdpro]

I can say without a doubt, that Record is as stable as Reason. As for the comments about third part fx. Not a show stopper. Hey, we have lived with Reason not having "third party plugin support. The Eq's comps, verbs, delays etc sound very good. I could make a polished record with Record.

Whew!! The choices we have today is really mind blowing.

[jjdpro]

I would have to say that for a plugin, it's really nice. Glues the mix just like the real thing does. Although, not as colored.

Originally Posted by HomeProducer

Can somebody answer this simple question?

I am interested in the SLL buss compressor. Is the buss compressor in Record a really nice sounding device or do i need to get an SSL console for that sound? Has anyone critically tested this compressor?

[Silver Sonya]

Originally Posted by HomeProducer

Can somebody answer this simple question?

I am interested in the SLL buss compressor. Is the buss compressor in Record a really nice sounding device or do i need to get an SSL console for that sound?

Come on, man.

- c

[SampleMan]

whats the verdict its released now

[0t0b0t]

Yeah I'm wondering too.. I Thought there would be much more noise after the release..... also considering they have a very cheap sidegrade price for owners of any previous Reason version.

Originally Posted by SampleMan

whats the verdict its released now

[mlehmann]

I'm not impressed with the sequencer view and the editing but I think it's a matter of taste. However, the mixer is what every DAW should be. The channel strip sounds amazing and the bus compressor is exactly what I want it to be. Also, I love the fact that I don't have to open a plugin window to set Dynamics & EQ.

I plan to continue to work with either Live or Logic (depending on the kind of project) but I definitely want to bring my final tracks into Record for mixing.

[rectifier]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

Come on, man.

- c

hahaha nice one.

[skygod]

Originally Posted by Solar

Exactly... i don't understand neither why people are so fast at jumping on statements this and that like 3rd part plugins and so on. If they decide not to support 3rd part plugins they have their reason as well, i mean they haven't just decided that "ok F*** 3rd part plugins", i don't believe so...

So i said, let's first let it be released and give the new kid on the block the chance as it's their first version. And if its not made for you, than keep using what you love at this moment.

And one thing for sure, we know that it will have it's "niche" of users.

As for me, loooking forward to give it a try for sure

Cheeeeeeeeeeers!!

I concur with the past two posters it's an amazing well thought thru singer-songwriter /band/ self-band produced tool for capturing ideas for musician/audio engineers and non-audio engineers alike.

The SSLesque mixer at the output is pretty amazing for the money @ $249.00 you kidding me? Its a steal for what's included with caveat. I just loaded a 16 channel raw analog project recorded live on an MDM and ran it thru the mixer. I'm sutnned! No VSTs no external analog processing and the sound engine output sounded by far better than the same 16 tracks ran thru Reaper 32, n-tracks 32, and Nuendo 32 on a vista laptop.

The showstopper drawback was that the import function needs to be upgraded quickly because I had to import one track at a time with offset which is an apparent faaking nuisance, but the output was worth the hassle ... for now. For any utility for future use, Propellerhead Central needs to permit import of multiple wav files simultaneously for this thing to have any real utility in any environment, and permit export of multiple wav file as well for rapid cross platform sends.

If the designers fail to do this they will lose the pro segment of the market because busy folks will not have the time to import anything other than two wav files at a time for mixdown from another DAW software program defeating the purpose of an entire splendidly designed record, digital mixer, and amazing sound engine reduced to two tracks non? How does it sound? I'm stunned. Amazing for the money LOL.

VST's? I work in mainly analog on a real mixers and real outboard, and it's a breath of fresh air to finally see an affordable software program doing just that ... back to the basics for all you who are spoiled digital brats now who have never worked with analog. Barring spending a big chunk for UAD2 PCIe and then paying for a Harrison console and then an SSL Duende PCIe, this is a great digital mixer for the money. Amazing how they did it. Does it sound like an SSL? Honestly, whogivesafaak. The sound engine is amazing, and the PEQ and dynamics are excellent. Disagree? Ok shoot me huh? Who at the listening end is gonna wonder what you mixed it on. The quality of the recording and mix and master is what they are grooving to. Fix the multi-file import and export and you've got a genuine winner. Kudos Propellerhead. Good work. Two products this past year have caught my attention that rock, this and Presonus Studiolive. If these two companies could marry up, wouldn’t that be amazing for the studiolive to be able to manage the Propellerhead Record mixer digitally from the faders etc and you can have the best of both worlds mixing analog via FW on the studiolive with two liked at 32 channels duplex, and have the benefit of this amazing digital sound engine and digital mixer to be able to mix ITB as well. The world is getting smaller and smarter ….

My 2 cents

~skygod~

[pendejo]

Originally Posted by skygod

I concur with the past two posters it's an amazing well thought thru singer-songwriter /band/ self-band produced tool for capturing ideas for musician/audio engineers and non-audio engineers alike.

The SSLesque mixer at the output is pretty amazing for the money @ $249.00 you kidding me? Its a steal for what's included with caveat. I just loaded a 16 channel raw analog project recorded live on an MDM and ran it thru the mixer. I'm sutnned! No VSTs no external analog processing and the sound engine output sounded by far better than the same 16 tracks ran thru Reaper 32, n-tracks 32, and Nuendo 32 on a vista laptop.

The showstopper drawback was that the import function needs to be upgraded quickly because I had to import one track at a time with offset which is an apparent faaking nuisance, but the output was worth the hassle ... for now. For any utility for future use, Propellerhead Central needs to permit import of multiple wav files simultaneously for this thing to have any real utility in any environment, and permit export of multiple wav file as well for rapid cross platform sends.

If the designers fail to do this they will lose the pro segment of the market because busy folks will not have the time to import anything other than two wav files at a time for mixdown from another DAW software program defeating the purpose of an entire splendidly designed record, digital mixer, and amazing sound engine reduced to two tracks non? How does it sound? I'm stunned. Amazing for the money LOL.

VST's? I work in mainly analog on a real mixers and real outboard, and it's a breath of fresh air to finally see an affordable software program doing just that ... back to the basics for all you who are spoiled digital brats now who have never worked with analog. Barring spending a big chunk for UAD2 PCIe and then paying for a Harrison console and then an SSL Duende PCIe, this is a great digital mixer for the money. Amazing how they did it. Does it sound like an SSL? Honestly, whogivesafaak. The sound engine is amazing, and the PEQ and dynamics are excellent. Disagree? Ok shoot me huh? Who at the listening end is gonna wonder what you mixed it on. The quality of the recording and mix and master is what they are grooving to. Fix the multi-file import and export and you've got a genuine winner. Kudos Propellerhead. Good work. Two products this past year have caught my attention that rock, this and Presonus Studiolive. If these two companies could marry up, wouldn’t that be amazing for the studiolive to be able to manage the Propellerhead Record mixer digitally from the faders etc and you can have the best of both worlds mixing analog via FW on the studiolive with two liked at 32 channels duplex, and have the benefit of this amazing digital sound engine and digital mixer to be able to mix ITB as well. The world is getting smaller and smarter ….

My 2 cents

~skygod~

I'm in complete agreement. After acquiring a whole bunch of analog gear to get away from the inspiration killer that I feel the typical DAW is, Propellerhead's Record is a breath of fresh air. It makes me excited about digital again. The streamlined workflow in Record is phenomenal and it sounds great.

[BringItBack]

The Record sound engine is nice! Only used the demo - haven't heard the output rendered yet, but it looks promising. Is the import of multiple tracks limited on the full version? I was hoping that was just a demo limitation...

I have Reason 3, but it's been a while...are there any Propellerhead M/S tools besides the MClass Imager to use in Record? A good M/S EQ - that's the only thing I really missed (out of all my plugins) messing around with Record.

[rolo]

i was given a legit Record for testing reasons. I imported 24 tracks of audio into Record, then into Cubase 5, then Pro Tools HD, then Pro tools LE.
I then bounced to a stereo mix, just to hear how they differed.
In order of favorite to least (judged on imaging, dynamic range, headroom etc)

1. Pro Tools HD
2. Cubase 5
3. Record
4. Pro Tools LE

I suggest you all try a test for your self. It was a dramatic difference. Record Is a good program for the $$$. But is NOT, (to me) worth all the hype people make it out to be. Again.. great for the price, though.

[IRONHEAD]

Originally Posted by protoculture

pw. I still love my AudioEase Convo Reverb - that will be missed. But for those tasks, hmmm, now I'm wondering if I can AUDIO IN an FX Track from Cubase into RECORD? If it can do this that will be swaeet...if not then for those tracks will have to rewire. Not a huge issue....

Yes of course you can send effects to record i have tried a lot of experiment and i got some Great result(sound quality is superior just passing your mix through it and you hear the difference ) Ok to send effect to another program like cubase logic e.t.c
you can use a software audio cable(osx jack) or any of your choice or if you audio card has multi input and output its even better.
all you have to do send wire the record send out to any of the audio card outputs mono or stereo out what ever channels you choose to use) into any cubase channel with effects of your choice then route it out of cubase back into record onto the same effects return on the channel
try it and let me know i will be making a tutorial soon on it usteam live so stay tune

[IRONHEAD]

Originally Posted by rolo

i was given a legit Record for testing reasons. I imported 24 tracks of audio into Record, then into Cubase 5, then Pro Tools HD, then Pro tools LE.
I then bounced to a stereo mix, just to hear how they differed.
In order of favorite to least (judged on imaging, dynamic range, headroom etc)

1. Pro Tools HD
2. Cubase 5
3. Record
4. Pro Tools LE

I suggest you all try a test for your self. It was a dramatic difference. Record Is a good program for the $$$. But is NOT, (to me) worth all the hype people make it out to be. Again.. great for the price, though.

BRO i did something similar as you did but with just logic audio i record into record
then did export and a bounce to a stereo track and i did it with logic
I did did a setup using record as channel strip in logic just to hear the difference.
i also run a mastered song in it and then bounce it
i am pretty amaze by the quality it sound bright and fuller to me especially when you bounce not export
the only draw back is the setting up of sub mixes you have to do too much wire-ring at the back need to be more straight forward like logic or other daw i don't know if that how the ssl works but it could be a pain
but i do setup templates.

[Kamurah]

I just wanted to throw my name in the hat as a new Record convert as well.

Record sounds absolutely fantastic! The SSL model....I don't know or care if it is accurate or not....is just gorgeous top to bottom.

They finally took the one limitation I had with Reason (its thin sound) and nullified all my complaints.

They really nailed it with a great balance of features, great sound, and all the stability and performance you would expect.

I guess time will tell.....but I do not think I will be going back to Logic at this point.....

[Alchemium]

I just demoed Record and I am really amazed. I have also mixed some commercial projects on the new Harrison Mixbus. Both systems are superior sounding than the usual suspects like Logic, Pro Tools, Cubase etc. but the Ardour platform on which Mixbus is based on, just doesn't do it for me.

Anyway I prefer Record so far...

I mixed several Projects on several SSLs. Every desk sounds different anyway, BUT Record DEFINITELY has a strong SSL flavor :-)
This thing is fun to work with, since its intuitive workflow and limitations make it creative and totally different to the other bloatware DAWs . I really got tired of chasing after new plugins and endless DAW updates lately.....

Record won't replace Logic as a composing tool for me, but it will be my ITB mixing tool for smaller budget clients in the near future.

[mdme_sadie]

Easy, sounds decent, cheap, score!

For me it's the perfect sketchpad, the main limitation is just the complete lack of any form of MP3 support either for import or export as I do like to do interjams with my buddies now and then, while export I can live without thanks to iTunes for conversion the lack of import seems a bit of a glaring oversight at this price range and target demographic. Improve rewire a bit to allow the sending of every track from another DAW as a separate channel painlessly into Record for Mixing and I'd be a very happy camper indeed.

Oh and better flextime (more like in Live) and reverse are really missing too right now. There's just a few little things to do with making multiple takes too that could do with some finessing, however I like the overall feature-set a lot and the lack of bloat, just needs some minor GUI/workflow smoothing in a couple of areas, overall an excellent V1 release though.

[digitalson]

i gotta chime in...i usually create in reason...then export individual tracks and mix in nuendo.....by the way i think is the best sounding daw.....but with the new record program....i just might rewire and mix reason in record....i really like the effects....channel strip, and it does multichannel export if need be......nice

[lordnielson]

As I wrote earlier I really liked the Record mix engine when I tried it.

I just wish they'd do a live function like Harrison Mixbus.

Shouldn't really be that hard with rewire ehh

[H-Rezz]

How do you uninstall? There is no option for this.

I had a play with it but it just wasn't for me, i like the sound of Logic better,the fact that i couldn't see how i would use my AU plugs is also a negative,i can see this appeal to people who need to record and mix their own material at a decent price. The Harrison Mixbus on the other hand is awesome,and has it's own sound going on YMMV.

[Alchemium]

Originally Posted by digitalson

i gotta chime in...i usually create in reason...then export individual tracks and mix in nuendo.....by the way i think is the best sounding daw.....but with the new record program....i just might rewire and mix reason in record....i really like the effects....channel strip, and it does multichannel export if need be......nice

You don't need to rewire Reason into Record. Your whole Reason session shows up in Record.

[SlowCooker]

any one have review or comments about the routing flexibility? signal flow options?

[joho]

I'm totally happy with the purchase - I use quite a bit of outboard on the mixbuss, but the depth of the mixes are quite good.

If anyone is interested, I can upload teasers from some of the albums I've already done with it.

-Johannes

[Monokira]

Hey everybody.
so new to the forum that I don't even know how to create my own post yet.
Anyway,
I've had this yamaha i88x a friend sold to me for dirt cheap, but without any cd software etc, so it's spent some time resting in storage past 6 months. Now with the emergence of Propellerheads record I'm interested in powering it up and using it as my analog to digital converter.
So... will the i88x mate with the Propellerheads Record software? Does anyone have any experience with this combination of hardware software setup. Damn, it'd be soo cool if I could make this happen.. as I hear great things about the two mic pre-amps etc.

I'm running a mid-range Samsung R610 with windows Vista 64-bit. Will need to purchase a firewire expansion card 54 to link the rack module to the laptop. What might i expect?

thanx in advance to anyone who can shed light.
Peace, love, music,
mark

[skygod]

Quote: Originally Posted by pendejo I'm in complete agreement. After acquiring a whole bunch of analog gear to get away from the inspiration killer that I feel the typical DAW is, Propellerhead's Record is a breath of fresh air. It makes me excited about digital again. The streamlined workflow in Record is phenomenal and it sounds great.

Well I paid the $1 and got my Reason 6 upgrade today. Poor sumbiches at Propellerhead. They shot themselves in the foot LOL. I watched on TV last night on NJ that BOA is starting to charge $5 per debit card transaction. So I watched as the $1 was transferred from my bank account through Deutschbank to the Propellerhead account to release my new serial number. That $1 USD purchase just cost Propllerhead around $5-$10 USD in international processing fees LOL. Multiply that times HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS customers and they've just screwed themselves royally. Hey folks you should have stuck to your agreement for a free upgrade for all of those like me who bought the Reason 5/Record 1.0 Duo, and instead you charged me a dollar. So now you've pissed all your profits down the toilet. Having said that ....

Should one upgrade? Well ? It rocks! Better than before. And the new apps they've added are amazing. Replaces a plethora of very high end VSTs without having to use a VST.

I have always said that their sound engine is great. I mean SSL great folks. I work with real SSL and the mixer does better than UAD virtual mixers and better than Waves API and SSL plugins. Less overhead and a great mixing desk.

I'm an old school engineer and I like to mix on analog consoles. API, SSL, Midas, A&H GL4800s you name it. But this thing is really very nice. I usually receive a mix from somebody who squashed it death in dvvchetools and the first thing I do is unclick all the plugs, then run it through 24 channels of API or SSL into a RADAR @24/96 then remix it on an analog mixer adding outboard compression and EQ sparingly. The nice things about faders/sliders is that you are using manual compression by adjusting volume and EQ on each track and sub-groups to the main 2 bus and this is something this clueless generation will never understand who were weaned on digital DAW and get their jollies off playing mad scientist tweaking knobs on a mathematical algorithm called a plugin. Doesn't matter if its VST, RTAS, TDM or whatever comes next. They're all substandard to analog/superanalogue, and the dimension of the sound in terms of depth, height, and width are never the same as analog. Actually I don't give a shit who says what and who did critical comparison studies and who sells CD shootouts and what Chinese made crap they’re pimping at NAMM any moment of the day. I know what I know and what my body feels and what my ears hear and what my workflow is that’s enough for me.

Now then, there are some flaws and some plusses in REASON 6 that everyone should be aware of before spending that hard earned dollar bill. So pay attention. This might be a test question. ***

1. REASON 6 now is REASON 5 and RECORD 1.5.1 bundled up into a new engine with all the new interfaces. This is a plus.

2. The minus is that once REASON 6 is authorized on the Propellerhead dongle, RECORD 5 is deauthorized on your DAW but not your dongleoid. Weird huh? But wait, there’s more …. So you cannot start Record anymore without it being authorized, and when you go to the website and look at your authorizations it is still all there authorized with Reason 5 and Record 1.5.1 on the dongleoid, but you cannot get it authorized on your DAW. What does that mean? It means that you are forced to work exclusively in REASON 6 from now. Not a bad thing though. So when you open an old RECORD file, open it in in REASON 6 and it opens in Record but with the upgraded Record window in Reason 6. It is downward compatible but not upward.

BAD: Another flaw is that Line 6 POD2 that is authorized on my DAWs cannot be accessed because although Propellerhead and Line6 are buddies now, REASON 6 CANNOT read a Line 6 tone file that has dual engine. But it can read all the single engine tone files in Gearbox. So just create a FAVORITES menu entry for the Line 6 Gearbox folder in REASON and you can access all your gearbox tone files from there.

BAD: Another flaw is that you cannot export a song as a multiple midi file. WTF over? Its insane. They need to fix that ASAP. You cannot export an audio file at any bit depth in multiple files either. Only a 2 BUS WAV or AIFF file export.

BAD: They added the same crappola experimental audio WASWFI gobbleygook whatever driver that SONAR is using now. Don't even bother with it. It doesn't work in SONAR and it sure as heck doesn't work in REASON 6

GOOD: Good news? I have both licensed REAPER 32 and REAPER 64. Make sure when you install these up check the REAROUTE option so that driver will load when you need it. What does this mean? It means that when you compose in REASON 6 and after mixing on REASON 6's very lovely virtual mixer and want to export to REAPER x32 or x64 to add whatever VSTs it is seamless.

a. Set the REASON 6 preferences audio driver to x64 ReaRoute ASIO driver. This driver works both for Reaper x32 and x64.

b. Set the Reaper preferences audio driver to ASIO4ALL. Download that if you don’t have it.

c. Open your REASON 6 song and mix it and be done with it in REASON 6.

d. Create a new track in REAPER. Select FX. Select Rewire. Once that window opens select either [MIDI IN, AUDIO OUT, or MIDI OUT] If you are streaming the audio obviously select the middle menu box for [Audio].

e. Set Reaper to 00:00. Select the track to record arm. Select Stereo [Rearoute CH 1 CH 2].

f. Press 'Play' on Reason this automatically starts the Reaper transport.

g. Press 'Red DOT' on main transport bar in reaper and reaper recording begins.

h. End of song -- Close Reason 6. Uncheck Rewire on the Channel FX in Reaper. Then play the file back in Reaper and VST it to death until your face turns blue.

BAD: The bad news? you can only stream the Master bus from REASON 6 and not individual files. That really SUCKS. I like to remix in NI KOMPLETE 7 and use Addictive Drums. God knows I’ve spent enough money on all that crap, I’d like to use it and thanks PRopellerhead ya mullets for NOT making my life too easy!

GOOD: WIN7 x64 totally compatible.

So in summary you cannot export a file as a multi midi file, or individual tracks of audio either. But you can do that in Band in a Box, but PG Music doesn’t have the sound engine library tools built in that REASON 6 does. Oh well ....

Is it worth it? For a dollar? You kidding me? Go figure -

Final Note. In your Reaper preferences set your sound engine to 32 bits instead of 24. Comes up to par with Nuendo almost. IMHO nobody's DAW sound engine even approaches Nuendo but that's all the niceness I have to say for Steinberg otherwise they're a PITA company to associate with in any capacity. Can’t compare any of this to dvvchetools. I don’t use any of that industry standard garbage.

Happy $1 spending –

Cheers – Class dismissed

~skygod~