Duende V3

[Football]

Curious how this will run off the computers own CPU. Will that make latency better for tracking and will run it run well at various buffer sizes.

Looking forward to hearing many more details about this.

Very interesting.

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[Savernake]

do you mean v3?

[tsvisser]

Duende Classic was ommitted from the press release's pricing announcements. I wonder what the scoop is for us legacy owners.

[Football]

Hopefully Jim will pipe in when the conference slows down (or ends). Lots of questions come to mind. It says 128 channels for Duende PCIe but how many channels at 88.2 or 96K?

Very curious about the latency stuff as well.

[drcrazyriffs]

As a duende classic owner it would totally suck for me if it isn't supported.!

[The Beatsmith]

"Duende V3 is purely a software upgrade and runs on the existing Duende Classic, Mini and PCI-e hardware."

trust me

[F5D]

Nice! Duende studio pack has been on my list for some time now. Will pick up one later this year.

[TheSweetener]

Couldn't find any info on the SSL page.....

[Fast_Fingers]

Jim, who usually posts here, can help:
YouTube - SSL Duende V.3 & X-Verb - MusikMesse 2009

His sideburns now look like headsets...

[thermos]

Must....hear....demos...of....xverb....NOW! Beyond interested.

Jim, if you are watching, please make comprehensive demos so we can know what to expect. If I don't have to buy a powercore I will bow down to you.

[wakestyle]

YES!!!

please be good

[elambo]

Yes. Anyone heard the verb yet? Impressions?

[TheMarqueeYears]

Just watched Jim's video for SOS

Ha ha ha ....

Yep Duende is a dongle, he almost admited it with the line ...

"it let's you use high grade plugin's YOU CAN'T GET ANY WHERE ELSE"

Why for crying out loud can't they just put the bloody things on iLok ... rrr.

TMY

[TheSweetener]

Doesn't this sound strange. They say:
"hey, now we also need your host CPU, now you have more channels!"

Of course we do!


I mean has Duende become more powerful or do they just use our native CPU for these new channels?

[jamwerks]

Originally Posted by TheMarqueeYears

Yep Duende is a dongle, he almost admited it with the line ... "it let's you use high grade plugin's YOU CAN'T GET ANY WHERE ELSE"
Why for crying out loud can't they just put the bloody things on iLok

Copy protection! I see this as a smart move and one that (many) others will follow!

[F5D]

IMO this is a good move from SSL. This is exactly what UAD1 users have been wanting for a long time. I don't mind if the card works as a dongle. I will gladly purchase one card if I can use the high quality plugins that cannot be cracked to be used without the card in fruity loops. I've got plenty of extra power for things like this in my 8-core mac. As jamwerks pointed out, this will definitely be adopted by others too. SSL is just showing the right way.

[tsvisser]

It may be a dongle, or it may be a vital part of the DSP chain. They say that the DSP load is "split" between the host and the card, so unless we have access to the inner technical workings of the software driver, we can only guess as to the real function of the Duende hardware with the V3 driver. I do not own an iLok, will probably have to buy one when I purchase DigiDesign Complete Production Toolkit, but if it weren't for that, I would normally seriously attempt to stay away from iLok if there was an alternative solution that didn't use it. I don't feel that it really curbs copy protection that much anyways and is more of a nuisance than of value.

[F5D]

My guess is that the processing is split between the host and the duende for the reason that it is impossible to crack such system to work only in native form. Or, if the plugins can be used without the extra latency caused by dsp cards, maybe it is that the algorithms or some other part of the code is saved on the card using complex copy protection and the plugin is processed natively without data stream thru the card.

[Barbary Ape]

This is a great idea I personally think that this should have been the path that UAD2 took. 32 now comes standard in mini but he also mentioned that expandability licenses will have to be bought so if even if your native machine is capable of running 128 channel strips, you have to buy the license to be able to do so.

[eddierodriguez]

Originally Posted by Barbary Ape

so if even if your native machine is capable of running 128 channel strips, you have to buy the license to be able to do so.

even if your machine is capable of running 256 channel strips...

they should split it into duende dsp only, limited hybrid and unlimited hybrid. then i might switch back to duende, when it´s working...

[lordnielson]

This is a great move from SSL. People have asked for this for years. If I had the dosh I'd get a pcie today. Let's hope the new verb kicks hiney.

What are some common prices for the pcie with the "good" plugins ?

[cane creek]

Originally Posted by TheSweetener

Doesn't this sound strange. They say:
"hey, now we also need your host CPU, now you have more channels!"

Of course we do!


I mean has Duende become more powerful or do they just use our native CPU for these new channels?

Yep its making the card look more and more like an expensive dongle

[Football]

Looking forward to Jim explaining the "low latency" workings of this new version. I did watch the video but need more specifics. How low is low?

Will they work seamlessly in Logic exactly like native plugs do? That's my big question.

[elambo]

Originally Posted by eddierodriguez

then i might switch back to duende, when it´s working...

Oh Eddie... do you ever pass up the opportunity to complain about old versions of Duende? Which was the last one you even tried, was it 3 or 4 versions prior to what's current? Older?

[elambo]

Originally Posted by Football

Looking forward to Jim explaining the "low latency" workings of this new version. I did watch the video but need more specifics. How low is low?

Didn't he say 4 samples of latency?

[jkrummri]

Didn't he say 4 samples of latency?

No not on that video

You might be thinking of the new card.

But if it is 4 samples and being able to do 128 slots
can you imagine how many people/Company's that will freak out

[eddierodriguez]

Originally Posted by elambo

Which was the last one you even tried, was it 3 or 4 versions prior to what's current? Older?

oh....

classic, mini, pcie

pthd, ptle, logic, nuendo, cubase

pc, mac

over the years 15+ motherboards, 15+ pci and pcie fw-cards

up-to-date 2.5.9 pc, 2.6.0 mac

need more infos, dabbler?

[Football]

Originally Posted by jkrummri

No not on that video

You might be thinking of the new card.

But if it is 4 samples and being able to do 128 slots
can you imagine how many people/Company's that will freak out

Also curious how those 128 slots work out with low buffer settings. Meaning at a buffer setting of 32 or 64 how many less would be available and also how much CPU are these eating up since they used to be all on the card?

[Football]

Originally Posted by eddierodriguez

oh....

classic, mini, pcie

pthd, ptle, logic, nuendo, cubase

pc, mac

over the years 15+ motherboards, 15+ pci and pcie fw-cards

up-to-date 2.5.9 pc, 2.6.0 mac

need more infos, dabbler?

Boy, I'm sure interested but this doesn't exactly instill confidence in me still seeing these posts years into this things life span. Hopefully this version 3 is going to be pretty darned stable... like pretty much any friggin' native plug I purchase (even inexpensive ones)!

Time to really step up to the plate SSL programmers.

[jamwerks]

Originally Posted by cane creek

an expensive dongle

It wouldn't even seem that expensive as a dongle :

Sonnox Comp, EQ & Limiter $935*
Duende $699*

*(from sweetwater site)