Duende V3 - Page 3

jamwerks · 4th April 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entrainer

I bought the Duende so my CPU would be free for other things,.

Duende isn't really that powerfull in terms of processing (I think that it's 4 x 444 chips). It's hard to compare these to CPU but a new MacPro is probably 20-30 times more powerfull.

findingtheSound · 4th April 2009

I don't know what to think about it: (from FAQ's ssl website)

Quote:

How many processing slots does a Duende Mini have with V3 software?

Answer

Duende Mini has 32 processing slots as standard under V3 software. This can be expanded to 64 or 128 slots with an additional license. If it had previously been upgraded to a Studio or Expansion pack, 64 slots will come as standard. Please contact our support team for this.

So if I'd bought additional license for upgrade before, I think they will allow me to get 64 channels...

Barbary Ape · 4th April 2009

If they are now gonna be utilizing native processing power then why is mini limited to max of 64, isn't the point of using native power to get the most juice out of your machine??

Quote:

V3 64 channel upgrade for Duende Mini, Duende PCIe, Duende Classic; £69 + VAT
V3 128 channel upgrade for Duende PCIe; £129 + VAT
V3 128 channel upgrade for Duende Classic; £129 + VAT

F5D · 4th April 2009

How I have understood this regarding the mini is that a nonupdgraded mini will provide a maximum of 64 channels with native processing. A dsp-updgraded mini equals duende fw and pcie in terms of power and can be upgraded to 128 channels as well.

eddierodriguez · 4th April 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barbary Ape

isn't the point of using native power to get the most juice out of your machine??

my saying

sigmatibet · 4th April 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barbary Ape

If they are now gonna be utilizing native processing power then why is mini limited to max of 64, isn't the point of using native power to get the most juice out of your machine??

I think they use a hybrid process. They use both dsp and native power to get better and faster performance. And this process allows a "limited" number of tracks. At a higher number of instances (over 128) the processing goes nuts. At least this is what I guess.

kellyd · 4th April 2009

This could be great for Duende users like myself who have not had any success getting the unit to work on all slots @ 96k. Hope it works as promised. It's been a rough 3 yrs for me using this box. I could use some good news when it comes to Duende.

Entrainer · 5th April 2009

The one thing I do want is external sidechain on input 3+4 for both the buss comp and x-comp. I'm not seeing any mention of this yet.

TheSweetener · 5th April 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entrainer

The one thing I do want is external sidechain on input 3+4 for both the buss comp and x-comp. I'm not seeing any mention of this yet.

Jim mentioned that sidechaining is only possible on the MX4

Jim@SSL · 5th April 2009

Sorry for being off the radar. As I'm sure you'll understand things were pretty crazy for us in the last week...

I'm now back home (if somewhat fried) and will try to answer some of the oustanding questions...

V3 will run with a Classic, Mini, or PCIe Duende.
We will continue to support V2.x software for users who are happy with their Duende setup "as is", or have PPC Macs or PCs without Core2 or AMD equivalent processors.
Latencies will be significantly lower with the V3 driver architecture.
High sample rates should be achieveable for more users
Duende Mini has 32 slots under V3 as standard, compared to 16 under V2.x
If you have the 16-32 channel upgrade in your Duende Mini we will issue you a 64 channel license free of charge. This includes Duende Mini Expanded and Duende Mini Studio Packs.

We are expcting to have V3 available for download in 4-6 weeks.

Great to meet a lot of you at the show :-)

kernelpanic · 5th April 2009

Hi Jim,

Thanks for the extra info. Good the hear that we classic owners are not going to be left out in the cold (not that I thought we would). Could you be a little more specific about the processors that will support V3 software. e.g. what do you guys consider to be the AMD equivalent of Core 2, 64X2? Phenome?

Thamks in advance

Entrainer · 6th April 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSweetener

Jim mentioned that sidechaining is only possible on the MX4

An internal sidechain HPF at 150 on the buss comp would be cool then.

findingtheSound · 6th April 2009

Quote:

If you have the 16-32 channel upgrade in your Duende Mini we will issue you a 64 channel license free of charge.

thumbsup
All I need to know! Can't wait to try the X-verb!

Jim, to what hardware reverb would you compare the x-verb ?

Thanx

sigmatibet · 6th April 2009

Jim,
Can you describe how V3 technically works? Is it a hybrid mode in the sense that it always shares dsp power with native power? Or is it that when dsp resources are almost full, then native power starts to work?

Jim@SSL · 6th April 2009

Some of the processing always happens on the Duende, and some always happens on the host machine.

We will be working on 64-bit drivers for all of our computer products, but these will not be "immediate" releases as it will take some time.

SWAN808 · 6th April 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim@SSL

Some of the processing always happens on the Duende, and some always happens on the host machine.

We will be working on 64-bit drivers for all of our computer products, but these will not be "immediate" releases as it will take some time.

what are the percentages of processing native and DSP?

sigmatibet · 6th April 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim@SSL

Some of the processing always happens on the Duende, and some always happens on the host machine.

We will be working on 64-bit drivers for all of our computer products, but these will not be "immediate" releases as it will take some time.

cool indeed. Well thought out. thumbsup

rhythminmind · 6th April 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim@SSL

If you have the 16-32 channel upgrade in your Duende Mini we will issue you a 64 channel license free of charge.

That is great news. How will the license be issued? Will it go right into our SSL site account or will we get an email voucher type of thing?

Jim@SSL · 6th April 2009

Free 64 channel upgrades will be a manual process with our support team once V3 is out.

%age of Duende vs Host processing depends on the plug-in.

hankloose · 7th April 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim@SSL

Free 64 channel upgrades will be a manual process with our support team once V3 is out.

%age of Duende vs Host processing depends on the plug-in.

Just to get this straight. Duende V3 will NOT work with the new AMD Phenom processor on the windows platform. or any amd processor ever for that matter? Am I right? Must I ditch my amd computer to run Duende V3?
This sounds to stupid to be true......

Best Regards

Hank

eddierodriguez · 7th April 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by hankloose

Just to get this straight. Duende V3 will NOT work with the new AMD Phenom processor on the windows platform. or any amd processor ever for that matter? Am I right? Must I ditch my amd computer to run Duende V3?

no, i guess it´s just programmed for SSE3 or SSE4. AM2 and AM3 have it. or it just needs enough power (where younger amds can´t be too slow)

Jim@SSL · 8th April 2009

We will post a list of tested systems and compatible mobos once we have completed Beta testing.

I'll give you definite answers when I have them

chris_m · 10th April 2009

We have the year 2009, a consumer version of 64bit windows is out for 8 years by now... I just cant understand how so many companies ignored 64bit so hard the 2-3 years and now are late late late with their drivers.
Please hurry i want to spend some money

PS: Completely unrelated to this but echo audio has 64bit drivers even for their devices that went out of production many many years ago. Thats is great customer service.

Marando · 11th April 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by hankloose

Just to get this straight. Duende V3 will NOT work with the new AMD Phenom processor on the windows platform. or any amd processor ever for that matter? Am I right? Must I ditch my amd computer to run Duende V3?
This sounds to stupid to be true......

Best Regards

Hank

It needs an Intel Core 2 processor or an AMD processor with at least the same performance. The Phenom (II) will be capable enough to do the job!

assembly_line · 7th May 2009

will V3 address any FW issues? my duende/duet setup was running smooth for the first two or so weeks and now it never wants to work. bah! back to the store with you...

JB872 · 1st June 2009

Has V3 been released yet?

elambo · 1st June 2009

Jim said that they were running a little behind on V3, testing some things before release.

Scarlatino · 2nd June 2009

SSL, update the information on a site, please!

TheMarqueeYears · 2nd June 2009

same old, same old.

Anounce your product way before it's actually going to be released, give a date, then move the goals.

REASON:

Stop people spending their money on your competitors product that is actually out and available.

And you know what it works. Duh.

TMY

Jim@SSL · 2nd June 2009

We had scheduled the release of V3 for the end of May, but unfortunately are running about 2 weeks behind. The software has been in beta for 3 weeks and appears to be running very very well, and we are putting the final touches to X-Verb before we put it out.

5th April 2009	#70
Jim@SSL Solid State Logic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,419	Sorry for being off the radar. As I'm sure you'll understand things were pretty crazy for us in the last week... I'm now back home (if somewhat fried) and will try to answer some of the oustanding questions... V3 will run with a Classic, Mini, or PCIe Duende. We will continue to support V2.x software for users who are happy with their Duende setup "as is", or have PPC Macs or PCs without Core2 or AMD equivalent processors. Latencies will be significantly lower with the V3 driver architecture. High sample rates should be achieveable for more users Duende Mini has 32 slots under V3 as standard, compared to 16 under V2.x If you have the 16-32 channel upgrade in your Duende Mini we will issue you a 64 channel license free of charge. This includes Duende Mini Expanded and Duende Mini Studio Packs. We are expcting to have V3 available for download in 4-6 weeks. Great to meet a lot of you at the show :-) __________________ Head of Workstation Partner Products Business Solid State Logic Duende Native plug-in tutorial videos now online http://www.youtube.com/sslvideos

5th April 2009	#71
kernelpanic Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 108	Hi Jim, Thanks for the extra info. Good the hear that we classic owners are not going to be left out in the cold (not that I thought we would). Could you be a little more specific about the processors that will support V3 software. e.g. what do you guys consider to be the AMD equivalent of Core 2, 64X2? Phenome? Thamks in advance __________________ "It's not the despair, I can handle the despair! It's the hope!" - John Cleese

2nd June 2009	#89
TheMarqueeYears Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 763	same old, same old. Anounce your product way before it's actually going to be released, give a date, then move the goals. REASON: Stop people spending their money on your competitors product that is actually out and available. And you know what it works. Duh. TMY __________________ "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." (quote) Bill Watterson

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