UBK Fatso

[TRW]

Loving mine, although has anybody found that splat stays in on snares a bit too long.

Great for old skool, but less so for smacking hiphop with body.

Some of the others are a bit too quick for drums too.

-T

[Currie]

I have a stock Fatso (which I badly want to mod)... I have never liked what it does to the high end when I have tried to use it on the Drum Bus... There seems to be a couple DB peak around 10 to 12k... but not a boost that seems to flatter hats, ride, etc... I end up using my Portico, Dakings or LCa2B instead on the Drum Bus

That being said, I do like what it does to bottom end... It seems that the stock bus setting must has a LPF below a 100 or so. (doesn't steal the low end transients from the Kik)

Does the UBK Mod change the high end of the unit at all (I think I remember reading somewhere that it does but can't remember for certain) and do any of the comps have a LPF?


thanks

[TRW]

Nah to me the UBK Fatso absolutely adds a few dB up high just passing through it.

Its not something that has wowed me on hihats and the like, but you can always use the HF limiter (warmth), although that can get a bit grabby on the rest of the kit.

I like the tone, but I realised this isn't a do everything box. It is a complimentary tool.

It kills on kick drum though. Dead in the water kind of kill! Plenty of meat left.

-T

[u b k]

Originally Posted by TRW

Great for old skool, but less so for smacking hiphop with body.

Try Splat + Spank (aka Squish), or Glue + Spank (all 3 lights, aka Spue).

Also, try digging in even more with Splat than you were; like, a LOT more. Pin it, so that the meter never has a chance to return to zero, peaking at 20 or more. The knee changes around 15db, it's quite a thing.


Gregory Scott - ubk
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[u b k]

Originally Posted by Currie

Does the UBK Mod change the high end of the unit at all (I think I remember reading somewhere that it does but can't remember for certain) and do any of the comps have a LPF?

I stopped doing the hf mod, nobody liked it (I tend towards the dark). I can do it for you if you like, I can go subtle or I can make it sound like a wool blanket if you want.

By LPF do you mean HPF in the sidechain? The stock Buss comp has no such thing, it just has an extremely slow attack (~100ms) so a lot of the thump comes thru.

You know you can stick any old eq in the sidechain on the back and filter out the lows yourself? I can do it inside the unit as part of the circuit itself too, and may just do that if I ever come out with a Fatso optimized exclusively for mixes.

Did I just say that?




Gregory Scott - ubk
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[Brad McGowan]

Originally Posted by u b k

I stopped doing the hf mod, nobody liked it (I tend towards the dark). I can do it for you if you like, I can go subtle or I can make it sound like a wool blanket if you want.

How many units went out with the HF mod?

Brad

[strewnshank]

Originally Posted by Brad McGowan

How many units went out with the HF mod?

Brad

i'm curious as well....#420-100028?

[KBOY]

Uh oh... You might have opened a can of worms here UBK.... lol


Regardless. Awesome piece..

[TRW]

Originally Posted by u b k

Try Splat + Spank (aka Squish), or Glue + Spank (all 3 lights, aka Spue).

Also, try digging in even more with Splat than you were; like, a LOT more. Pin it, so that the meter never has a chance to return to zero, peaking at 20 or more. The knee changes around 15db, it's quite a thing.


Gregory Scott - ubk
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Thanks I did, one of my favs on drums is all 3 at once. Spew? haha

I will try pushing splat some more, it's worth it just for what it does to the kick!

-T

[roxy]

Originally Posted by WildCowboys

Hey Greg,
I really think you should offer the mod under the name "brown love"

Imagine this in the pricelist:

Brown love for you fatso starting from only 300.-


Rock on,
Pat

[joninc]

does anybody have these in stock anywhere right now? (in north america - preferably canada)

[TRW]

Originally Posted by u b k

Pin it, so that the meter never has a chance to return to zero, peaking at 20 or more. The knee changes around 15db, it's quite a thing

I'd been there before and thought it was cool, but I just revisited. Holy sh*t there is a lot of control there. Get past 15dB GR and it allows you to get the original length back but bigger or just a small tweak and it goes kushhhhhhhhhh....

Nice. Thanks Greg.

One final question is the compressor in here a VCA or FET type? It sounds VCA to me?

-T

[insomnio]

Originally Posted by u b k

The stock Buss comp has no such thing, it just has an extremely slow attack (~100ms) so a lot of the thump comes thru.
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Hey Gregory,
It would be nice if you produce a manual with all the technical stuff in it too. The original Fatso manual was fun to read.

[u b k]

Originally Posted by Brad McGowan

How many units went out with the HF mod?

Five. At first I was asking people if they wanted it; of those who said yes, I got thru five, nobody dug it, so I stopped offering it or talking about it.

If we didn't have a conversation about it, you didn't get it. thumbsup

People like the shizz bright these days. I'm glad to hear people talking about the hf boost on the stock fatso, people call it neutral and a few folks have called it dark and I started to wonder if I was crazy.

I think it all comes down to what parts of the treble range you're sensitive to. 10k is not my friend, I love 6k and I love 14k but 10k always sounds like spit to me.


Gregory Scott - ubk
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[u b k]

Originally Posted by TRW

I'd been there before and thought it was cool, but I just revisited. Holy sh*t there is a lot of control there. Get past 15dB GR and it allows you to get the original length back but bigger or just a small tweak and it goes kushhhhhhhhhh....

AT LAST!

thank you, you are officially the first person to report back that you 'get' the magic of Deep Splat. I tell people in the blurb, I demonstrate it in the video, but no one seems to share my awe of what happens after 15db in the red. Dave Derr actually tried to get me to 'fix' the gain structure of that preset, he did some crazy math to try and gain it up while preserving my knee/attack/ratio relationship, but the instant I juiced it even a little the whole magic vaporized, so I stuck with my original component values.

To be able to compress that much but retain the original length as you put it, not have the room get all sucked up, I love that. I can get that effect with my 2500, but it's more boxy and pointed, not as smackin' as the UBK.

BTW: I asked, and according to Dave it's a FET compressor.


Gregory Scott - ubk
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[TRW]

Nice one Greg. I had seen it in the video and was impressed on the drum buss and that was the first thing I tried when I got it.

However the magic hadn't hit me on snare. It really is crazy. Cool...

Great to know Dave dug it but realised the beauty of tweaking the design by ear. I can't wait to try that on lots of individual drums in the mix.

I had wondered if it was a FET, at modest gain reduction it does sound quite VCA like to me, but I can hear it has to be FET as when you push it, it gets smashed like all good FETs. Dave seems to be a fan of the FET, I think the Mike-E is and the distressor is too!

I didn't see any VCA SIPs in there but with all the parts scratched off...

Thanks a lot Greg!

-T

[TRW]

Oh and when I get a chance I will test it in the lab to see what the knee is doing up there. Perhaps its actually going back towards 1:1, thus not all that compressed on the loudest parts...

-T

[u b k]

Originally Posted by TRW

Oh and when I get a chance I will test it in the lab to see what the knee is doing up there.

Please post a graph, I'm dead curious! My only test equipment is attached to the sides of my skull...

As an aside, Dave informed me that the attack on Smooth is ~70 microseconds. stike stike stike

Which partly explains why it's so tapey... no transient pop at all.


Gregory Scott - ubk
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[zulusound]

Got my UBK Fatso back yesterday and tried it, tracked mono drums today.
Chain- Coles 4038- Ampex 60's mic pre- UBK Fatso.

Man, this was a sick combination. At times I was going over 15 db of GR, it was crazy sounding and HaUUUUUGE. I'll post a file when I get the mix done. I am VERY impressed with the UBK mod, total ooze of vibe and chewy goodness.

I was wondering if the "warmth" feature has a different threshold with the mod, it was seeming to not grab as often or hard as before the mod... Maybe I'm just not used to the amount of GR, and I'm using that as opposed to the input level to gauge the relative amount of "warmth" treble GR.

Evan

[TRW]

Cool, warmth doesn't grab hard in splat mode, as greg changed it I think.

it grabs plenty hard enough in the other mode though!

Man a 4038 getting squished with this thing...mmmm

-T

[u b k]

Evan!

Glad you're digging it. Yes, the oddball gain structure of Splat means warmth is way less aggressive with that preset. Warmth with Smooth is about the same as stock, and slightly more aggressive with Glue, iirc.

Did I not send you the blurb?!


Gregory Scott - ubk
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[zulusound]

I didn't get any paperwork in the box. Should there have been something in there? can you email me a pdf?

Originally Posted by u b k

Evan!

Glad you're digging it. Yes, the oddball gain structure of Splat means warmth is way less aggressive with that preset. Warmth with Smooth is about the same as stock, and slightly more aggressive with Glue, iirc.

Did I not send you the blurb?!


Gregory Scott - ubk
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[androne]

This thing or a chandler TG2 for the WARMTH is there is an Mpressor available ???

[frankymax]

Originally Posted by zulusound

I didn't get any paperwork in the box. Should there have been something in there? can you email me a pdf?

Greg- I had the same thing- I got the original manual but no notes or info on the UBK mod and what it all means. Can you also send me a pdf ?
Thanks,
Frank Macchia

[CarmenC]

Originally Posted by frankymax

Greg- I had the same thing- I got the original manual but no notes or info on the UBK mod and what it all means. Can you also send me a pdf ?
Thanks,
Frank Macchia

http://www.kushaudio.com/Graphics/Br...o%20Manual.pdf

C

[frankymax]

Originally Posted by CarmenC

http://www.kushaudio.com/Graphics/Br...o%20Manual.pdf

C

Excellent! Thanks so much!

[insomnio]

Originally Posted by CarmenC

http://www.kushaudio.com/Graphics/Br...o%20Manual.pdf

C

Oh, There it is!! Thanks.

[twadorno]

hi,
is it possible to keep (for example) the bus compressor from the old version but just on one channel?
2 channels splat, 2 glue, 1 smooth and 1 bus?
i love this one because it can bring drums to live in a ssl bus compressor kind of way:
longest attack (30ms), relative fast release... (seems to me)
a no brainer...

could you recommend the glue for mix bus compression or normal (not parallel or extreme) stereo drum bus compression?

or is it too fast. ive read it is something like a urei 1176 which is very fast.

tx
twadorno

[Brad McGowan]

I think you'll totally forget about "Bus" once you hear "Glue" on some drums or full program material. Or vocals, or bass, or kick, or snare for that matter.

Brad

[u b k]

Originally Posted by twadorno

is it possible to keep (for example) the bus compressor from the old version but just on one channel?

Ah yes, an eminently understandable desire, to combine a stock and a UBK Fatso into one compressor to rule them all. Alas, this is the analysis I must face when considering whether to offer this option to people:


A- more work on Fatso, less time cavorting with beautiful woman and traveling the globe, or

or

B- less work on Fatso, more time cavorting with beautiful woman and traveling the globe.



I hope, when framed like this, the heart of the issue will become clear, and my decision to offer UBK Fatso's in only one standard configuration can be seen as the choice most any sane man would make.

Really, Glue is magical. thumbsup


Gregory Scott - ubk
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