Chandler Little Devils - 500 series EQ & Comp

[Fleaman]

Originally Posted by DeBasement

I mean, let's face it - the market's got plenty of options for cleanish, neve-ish, or vintage-ish (?) colors. But most stop short of giving you flat-out distortion. That'd be fun. Devilish fun! stike

Not a pre, but a Standard Audio Level-Or can do just that, crazy gtr pedal-like distortion, and really cool at it. It's a whole lotta fun.

Give a listen to the samples on their site> Standard-Audio.com - Standard Audio, home of the Level-Or

And their myspace> Standard Audio on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Videos

[AB3]

How does the little devil compare with the Zener on drums?
THANKS,
AB
I agree about the dry/wet capability.

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

I'd like to see every compressor made from now on with a dry/wet knob ala Little Devil/Germ.
I wish every comp I own had this feature
can't stress enough how cool it is to have the parallel dry/wet capability



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[wade goeke]

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

I'd like to see every compressor made from now on with a dry/wet knob ala Little Devil/Germ.
I wish every comp I own had this feature
can't stress enough how cool it is to have the parallel dry/wet capability



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Nice !!! Thats cool to hear. I did something right!

I was unsure if the Devil Comp has a few too many knobs....Slightly more complicated

[wade goeke]

Originally Posted by Fleaman

+350%

It's nice to have it in-unit, as opposed to taking up console channels

Really love it on my germ comps.

[wade goeke]

Originally Posted by AB3

How does the little devil compare with the Zener on drums?
THANKS,
AB
I agree about the dry/wet capability.

For me its plenty different. Its not even similar in design for better or worse.
The Devil is FET based so has more of a 1176 or Distressor tone...but the sidechain uses much of a 33609. It can be REALLY aggressive if you use rge GERM Diode curve, high ratio, and fast attack.

Maybe Roundbadge can comment???

[wade goeke]

Originally Posted by wade goeke

For me its plenty different. Its not even similar in design for better or worse.
The Devil is FET based so has more of a 1176 or Distressor tone...but the sidechain uses much of a 33609. It can be REALLY aggressive if you use rge GERM Diode curve, high ratio, and fast attack.

Maybe Roundbadge can comment???

Off to Wageners workshop! Wish me luck :-)

[AMIEL]

Originally Posted by wade goeke

Great question...
Problem, for me, is with existing designs you are stuck in the framework of that unit.
Size of transformers, voltage, current, and board space etc.

You could, for example, use surface mount components to shrink the board space needed, but for me surface mount is a very big sacrifice. Surface mount was pretty much developed for cell phones and computers, are very cheap and fast to use, and can be done completely by machines. I have seen MUCH surface mount in 500 units, and I dont want to pay $2000 for a cell phone :-)

The biggest problem I see is voltage and current in the 500 format. It was designed to run API 500 modules. If you want to be creative or stretch the boundary you can very likely run into trouble in lots of ways.

Doing the TGs is probably the biggest stretch because it needs about twice the voltage of a standard 500 AND a good amount of current.

Im not saying no but it would take some time and thought...

Cheers
Wade

This is why Chandler have all my respect! Wade always LISTEN to people and put their opinion,needs and advise as fundamental guide to design, correct and give great service to his products.

This is not only a humble behavior, but also a very logical and super smart way of thinking.

This is why his products are excellent, have respect and people love Chandler.


wade, thanks for listening!

[Fleaman]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

This is why Chandler have all my respect! Wade always LISTEN to people and put their opinion,needs and advise as fundamental guide to design, correct and give great service to his products.

Wade is great at listening.... but luckily he doesn't take All the opinions here too literally, otherwise we'd get these 2 boxes>

[Fuel]

Originally Posted by Fleaman

Wade is great at listening.... but luckily he doesn't take All the opinions here too literally, otherwise we'd get these 2 boxes>

Hahahaaha, true! I guess many of us got this Gear!!!

[Fleaman]

Originally Posted by Fuel

Hahahaaha, true! I guess many of us got this Gear!!!

Well, we all want the 'woman' box of course.

[AMIEL]

Originally Posted by Fleaman

Wade is great at listening.... but luckily he doesn't take All the opinions here too literally, otherwise we'd get these 2 boxes>

hahahaha, you are right!!! this is why I was changing that "type" of gear so often and for sooo long!!

but hey!!to try and change gear was very fun!! many "boxes" like yours were very fun and cool!

[alkooloid]

Originally Posted by Fleaman

Well, we all want the 'woman' box of course.

There's more to a woman than her "box"!!! (oh shoot, misread the post...)

[Klauth]

This IS, a Little Devil thread... right?

[AMIEL]

Originally Posted by Klauth

This IS, a Little Devil thread... right?

I heard Women are Little Devil !
**Sorry I could not resist!

[wade goeke]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

This is why Chandler have all my respect! Wade always LISTEN to people and put their opinion,needs and advise as fundamental guide to design, correct and give great service to his products.

This is not only a humble behavior, but also a very logical and super smart way of thinking.

This is why his products are excellent, have respect and people love Chandler.


wade, thanks for listening!

Ha! Thanks a bunch man!
I guess I have my ideas on things for better or worse :-)
Thanks for the compliments man, its really cool of you to say!

[wade goeke]

Originally Posted by Fleaman

Wade is great at listening.... but luckily he doesn't take All the opinions here too literally, otherwise we'd get these 2 boxes>

Thanks to you too man!
That is the best picture ever!

Im excited about this Devil pre amp discussion and working on this Devil pre. I think Ill have to make a couple different versions and let some poeple hear them. I do like the coloring discussions and hope to include something like that.

Cheers!

[Fleaman]

Originally Posted by wade goeke

Thanks to you too man!
That is the best picture ever!

Im excited about this Devil pre amp discussion and working on this Devil pre. I think Ill have to make a couple different versions and let some poeple hear them. I do like the coloring discussions and hope to include something like that.

Cheers!

Ok, I'm gonna play devil's advocate here> I wish that every EQ had make-up gain/output knob, so bypass/in can be easily leveled (matched). The 'lil Devil EQ doesn't have this.

Along the same lines for Comps, or more specifically, I wish the Germ comp had a final output/gain knob, after the feedback/input circuits, in which 'bypassed' and 'in' could easily be matched. The way it is on the Germ comp you have to fiddle with the feedback/gain circuit to level match between in/out, but of course doing so changes the tone of the unit. Is there an easy mod to add a master output pot that would allow this? Maybe by Chandler in-house?

[wade goeke]

Originally Posted by Fleaman

Ok, I'm gonna play devil's advocate here> I wish that every EQ had make-up gain/output knob, so bypass/in can be easily leveled (matched). The 'lil Devil EQ doesn't have this.

Along the same lines for Comps, or more specifically, I wish the Germ comp had a final output/gain knob, after the feedback/input circuits, in which 'bypassed' and 'in' could easily be matched. The way it is on the Germ comp you have to fiddle with the feedback/gain circuit to level match between in/out, but of course doing so changes the tone of the unit. Is there an easy mod to add a master output pot that would allow this? Maybe by Chandler in-house?

I have come up with a way to do it that works pretty good. Im still doing some tests and listening to be sure I like how it sounds. I want to do a relay to bypass it as well so you can have it completely gone from the circuit.

Attached is a pic of a "super germ pre" proto that has it on there as well as 5 input impedances, filter, variable thick etc...

[AMIEL]

Originally Posted by wade goeke

Ha! Thanks a bunch man!
I guess I have my ideas on things for better or worse :-)
Thanks for the compliments man, its really cool of you to say!

Well you got that with hard work, innovative ideas and listening to others.
So how different the Super Germ Pre to the original?

[wade goeke]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

Well you got that with hard work, innovative ideas and listening to others.
So how different the Super Germ Pre to the original?

Thanks man ;-)

The "super germ" is the same sound. Its just all about flexibility. Two input transformers and 5 input impedances etc. The ouput fader thing is super cool. Ive been doing a lot of recording with gain/drive and feedback on full and just backing off the output.
Pretty fun :-)

[AMIEL]

Originally Posted by wade goeke

Thanks man ;-)

The "super germ" is the same sound. Its just all about flexibility. Two input transformers and 5 input impedances etc. The ouput fader thing is super cool. Ive been doing a lot of recording with gain/drive and feedback on full and just backing off the output.
Pretty fun :-)

I guess still your Fav Chandler Pre section.

[wade goeke]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

I guess still your Fav Chandler Pre section.

OHHHH YEEAAAH!

[Fleaman]

Originally Posted by wade goeke

Thanks man ;-)

The "super germ" is the same sound. Its just all about flexibility. Two input transformers and 5 input impedances etc. The ouput fader thing is super cool. Ive been doing a lot of recording with gain/drive and feedback on full and just backing off the output.
Pretty fun :-)

I must be dense, I don't see a separate output fader/pot that won't affect the tone of the unit? I see the germ drive/gain and the feedback knob...?

Also, is that the size of the unit? Is the price gonna be the same as the current Germ pre? Replacing the current Germ pre?

What about output fader mod for the Germ comp @ Eq?

[wade goeke]

Originally Posted by Fleaman

I must be dense, I don't see a separate output fader/pot that won't affect the tone of the unit? I see the germ drive/gain and the feedback knob...?

Also, is that the size of the unit? Is the price gonna be the same as the current Germ pre? Replacing the current Germ pre?

What about output fader mod for the Germ comp @ Eq?

Its stacked on top of the gain switch...

[wade goeke]

Originally Posted by Fleaman

I must be dense, I don't see a separate output fader/pot that won't affect the tone of the unit? I see the germ drive/gain and the feedback knob...?

Also, is that the size of the unit? Is the price gonna be the same as the current Germ pre? Replacing the current Germ pre?

What about output fader mod for the Germ comp @ Eq?

Its stacked on top of the gain switch...Attached is another picture where you can see it a bit better.

Its possible for all the Germs. Same circuit and setup. Just thinking about the best way to accomplish it....We would probably make a new faceplate to fit the extra control...???

[Fleaman]

Originally Posted by wade goeke

Its stacked on top of the gain switch...

Ah, so its a double ganged pot?

How will you bypass? Don't see a bypass switch?

How is this gonna be priced?

[Micfallon]

Originally Posted by wade goeke

Attached is a pic of a "super germ pre" proto that has it on there as well as 5 input impedances, filter, variable thick etc...

Hey Wade,

I would prefer something more simple...
Adding a real output knob, a High pass filter and a low pass filter would be just perfect !

What's the "bright" switch ?

[wade goeke]

Originally Posted by Fleaman

Ah, so its a double ganged pot?

How will you bypass? Don't see a bypass switch?

How is this gonna be priced?

This one does not have the bypass in it yet. I have come up with a little relay bypass thing that seems to be working good. It would be just a toggle switch...

Im not sure what a price would be. I really just made this cause I wanted to have them, and thought maybe I would make some as custom for some people. I have parts to make a few more...

Down here at Wageners and he is using a couple on drums and seems to like them ;-)

[Fleaman]

Originally Posted by wade goeke

Its possible for all the Germs. Same circuit and setup. Just thinking about the best way to accomplish it....We would probably make a new faceplate to fit the extra control...???

To keep it on the cheap, I wouldn't mind if the output pot was on the far right side, outside the chassis box, but still on the faceplate, like you had on the early LTD-1 design.

[wade goeke]

Originally Posted by Fleaman

To keep it on the cheap, I wouldn't mind if the output pot was on the far right side, outside the chassis box, but still on the faceplate, like you had on the early LTD-1 design.

Yeah that could happen. We would have to drill the faceplate but not a problem!