Petition for the return of Firewire on the macbook and the macbook pro !

[Han Solo]

Hi all Mac users. As you know, the new MacBook models have no Firewire and Macbook Pro does on a single in Firewire 800.
An online petition is proposed to encourage Apple to offer Firewire on the new MacBook.
Sign the FireWire ports in Apple consumer notebooks Petition
We urge those concerned to sign and go and hope they will reconsider what it is otherwise difficult to consider that a fault, at least vis a vis its clients for a long time. This is an important step to sign the petition because many professionals working in the sound and graphic are penalized by the new choice of apple. Do not forget to leave your comments and explain why you want the return of Firewire on the MB, and the addition and the return of Firewire 400 on the MBP and why you don't want the glossy screen.
That everyone relay this petition everywhere !
Best Regards
Han Solo
France

[electricfiddle13]

I was one of the 1st ones to sign...

[Han Solo]

Petition is better cause it's not apple who keep comment; in fact no censure !!!!
fuuck

[zvenx]

not to be a total killjoy, but when has apple (who believe it or not I love dearly) ever succumbed to user requests to add back components.
Floppy, Scsi, ADB, more pci/pci-express slots, serial port etc

I am die hard apple fan but even I have to admit they have a degree of arrogance that few can top.

rsp

[Whitecat]

Originally Posted by zvenx

not to be a total killjoy, but when has apple (who believe it or not I love dearly) ever succumbed to user requests to add back components.
Floppy, Scsi, ADB, more pci/pci-express slots, serial port etc

I am die hard apple fan but even I have to admit they have a degree of arrogance that few can top.

rsp

Once, maybe. When the Macbook Pro was first introduced they dropped firewire 800.

Nobody knows whether they added it back because of the ensuing outcry, or if that was the plan all along.

Either way, we'd win this battle... even if Apple is just planning to put the port back on the next revision anyway.

Or maybe not. Time will tell, but it certainly doesn't hurt to let them know your feelings. As I've mentioned before, perhaps the best-worst outcome is that it will cause them to pause with caution next time they consider doing something like this.

[zvenx]

Originally Posted by terminal3

As I've mentioned before, perhaps the best-worst outcome is that it will cause them to pause with caution next time they consider doing something like this.

right
rsp

[25ghosts]

Why - do you want that.

The new firewire protokoll allows for ethernet cabling and connectors.

There will be adapters very soon. Besides that ALL MacBooks and MacBookPRos now have GIGABIT ethernet. That too is a sign that the future speaks ethernet and FW over ethernet.

Firewire is from 1998 and is NOT meeting todays new super computers. I think it is great that Apple takes a stand and forces this upon the people. Like they did USB and like they did Firewire.

Back then NO BODY wanted firewire cuz they were happy with IDE and SCSI today NO ONE seems to be wanting to live without it. That is called progress and progress has it upsides and downsides. But progress is NEEDED to evolve.

So - I wont sign this petition at all :-)

Does not matter anyway how many signs this. Apple AINT gonna change NOTHING for their users. Never have and never will. They just DONT listen.

[zvenx]

agree with your last line, but not your first.
most useful audio solutions for macbook I think have been firewire.
rsp

[williemyers]

Originally Posted by zvenx

not to be a total killjoy, but when has apple (who believe it or not I love dearly) ever succumbed to user requests to add back components.
Floppy, Scsi, ADB, more pci/pci-express slots, serial port etc

actually, without checking back on the spec sheets, I recall that;
(a.) the last G4's had 4(?) internal hard drive bays, then
(b.) the first G5's dropped to 2(?) internal hard drive bays, then
(c.) perhaps because of external pressure from the pro-audio & video community, later G5's went back to 3 or 4 internal hard drive bays.

Originally Posted by zvenx

I am die hard apple fan but even I have to admit they have a degree of arrogance that few can top.

rsp

couldn't agree with you more on that one!

[DJE356]

"You are my FireWire, my only FireWire
You make me happy when skies are grey
You'll never know, Dear, how much I need you
Please don't take my FireWire away"

[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by 25ghosts

Does not matter anyway how many signs this. Apple AINT gonna change NOTHING for their users. Never have and never will. They just DONT listen.

They definitely listen, they just don´t speak ;-)

[dbjp]

Originally Posted by 25ghosts

Why - do you want that.

The new firewire protokoll allows for ethernet cabling and connectors.

There will be adapters very soon. Besides that ALL MacBooks and MacBookPRos now have GIGABIT ethernet. That too is a sign that the future speaks ethernet and FW over ethernet.

Firewire is from 1998 and is NOT meeting todays new super computers. I think it is great that Apple takes a stand and forces this upon the people. Like they did USB and like they did Firewire.

Back then NO BODY wanted firewire cuz they were happy with IDE and SCSI today NO ONE seems to be wanting to live without it. That is called progress and progress has it upsides and downsides. But progress is NEEDED to evolve.

So - I wont sign this petition at all :-)

Does not matter anyway how many signs this. Apple AINT gonna change NOTHING for their users. Never have and never will. They just DONT listen.

I think it wouldn't have been a problem had they placed a FW3200+800 in there. But the problem is that all they did was take out something without adding anything as its replacement. Perhaps there'll be an ethernet solution in time but they're certainly not offering it as of now, so I totally understand the frustration of the customers.
Must be horrible for the DUET owners out there that thought the Apple/Apogee partnership actually meant something.

[piccazzo]

"You are my FireWire, my only FireWire
You make me happy when skies are grey
You'll never know, Dear, how much I need you
Please don't take my FireWire away"

" You re my FireWire , try and understand it ,
Make a noise and make it clear,
oooooh oooooh oooooh ooooh.
Im not gonna sit in silence ,
Im not gonna live in fear ,
oooooh oooooh , ooooooh ooooooh. "

[6strings]

Originally Posted by 25ghosts

The new firewire protokoll allows for ethernet cabling and connectors.

But this would require a new chipset. If this were in place on the new MacBooks you could make this argument (and similarly with USB 3), but right now all we low-end mac users get is USB 2.0, which doesn't help anyone at all with an investment in Firewire gear.

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by 25ghosts

The new firewire protokoll allows for ethernet cabling and connectors.

There will be adapters very soon. Besides that ALL MacBooks and MacBookPRos now have GIGABIT ethernet. That too is a sign that the future speaks ethernet and FW over ethernet.

Firewire is from 1998 and is NOT meeting todays new super computers. I think it is great that Apple takes a stand and forces this upon the people. Like they did USB and like they did Firewire.

Back then NO BODY wanted firewire cuz they were happy with IDE and SCSI today NO ONE seems to be wanting to live without it. That is called progress and progress has it upsides and downsides. But progress is NEEDED to evolve.

So - I wont sign this petition at all :-)

Does not matter anyway how many signs this. Apple AINT gonna change NOTHING for their users. Never have and never will. They just DONT listen.

the problem with what you're saying is that firewire can power devices and this won't be possible over ethernet - not from what i understand anyways

[Smithers]

Apple may not reinstate FW but it doesn't hurt to make some noise. I've posted this on all forums i belong to (and blogs).

With Apple's next keynote in Feb (WWDC i think???) it might not be too long to wait if they listen.

Fight the power!!!!

[Gm7Cadd9]

they listen... just watch the keynotes, steve says things like:

"We listened to our users, they said they wanted better and faster graphics so we gave it to them."

Look at the iphone, everyone bitched that web apps were not enough, and eventually after enough bitching and hacking apple released an SDK.

I agree with a previous post, Apple listens, they just dont speak. I dont expect them to re-instate firewire into the macbook, or the air that never had it. But I do expect a viable alternative. Firewire is old, but that doesn't mean USB 2 is better. When floppy was removed it was in favor of CD burners, you cant remove FW without a faster alternative... not to mention Target disc mode is huge... oh well

[Whitecat]

Originally Posted by Gm7Cadd9

they listen... just watch the keynotes, steve says things like:

"We listened to our users, they said they wanted better and faster graphics so we gave it to them."

Look at the iphone, everyone bitched that web apps were not enough, and eventually after enough bitching and hacking apple released an SDK.

I agree with a previous post, Apple listens, they just dont speak. I dont expect them to re-instate firewire into the macbook, or the air that never had it. But I do expect a viable alternative. Firewire is old, but that doesn't mean USB 2 is better. When floppy was removed it was in favor of CD burners, you cant remove FW without a faster alternative... not to mention Target disc mode is huge... oh well

Indeed!

A viable, and REVERSE COMPATIBLE alternative would make me happy.

I wouldn't be this unhappy if there was a new technology already in place INSTEAD of FW400... would it have killed them to wait until FW1600 or whatever it is was actually ready for takeoff before killing off the previous generation? I doubt it... this does smack a bit of greed, unfortunately. I hope it hurts their share price.

[elambo]

Originally Posted by macleodgrant

the problem with what you're saying is that firewire can power devices and this won't be possible over ethernet - not from what i understand anyways

PoE is powered ethernet, so it's not only possible but the technology is common. Maybe it doesn't allow for ENOUGH power to run a drive or other equip? Don't know...

[champ]

nice it already passed 10.000

keep it coming and if nothing happens at least we can see how many people apple is letting down

[seaneldon]

Originally Posted by macleodgrant

the problem with what you're saying is that firewire can power devices and this won't be possible over ethernet - not from what i understand anyways

You can power devices via ethernet. See Hear Back headphone mixers for an example.

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by seaneldon

You can power devices via ethernet. See Hear Back headphone mixers for an example.

i had no idea about this. awesome if it possible to run the DUET or Powercore

[thearnicasync]

What am I missing?

Since FW800 runs 400 just fine, it appears Apple decided that macbooks represented too much value. I didn't recently buy a macbook pro recently...i bought a macbook. I make money with it. Apple has always marketed macbooks to students/emailers/interneters. Now, pro(sumer) users have no choice. Until adapters. Welcome to corporate America.

You may as well petition the University of Chicago Economics Department.

[Goliath|Audio]

Jobs responds to the outrage over Firewire

AppleInsider | Jobs responds to outrage over MacBook's missing FireWire [u]

"Actually, all of the new HD camcorders of the past few years use USB 2," Jobs supposedly wrote in an email, a copy of which was posted to the popular Flickr image sharing website.

[A33]

17060 Total Signatures as of now

[Silver Sonya]

Originally Posted by A33

17060 Total Signatures as of now

That's 17,060 people who should not hold their breath.

- c

[computa]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

That's 17,060 people who should not hold their breath.

- c

[JH4music]

Why - do you want that.

The new firewire protokoll allows for ethernet cabling and connectors.

There will be adapters very soon. Besides that ALL MacBooks and MacBookPRos now have GIGABIT ethernet. That too is a sign that the future speaks ethernet and FW over ethernet.

Firewire is from 1998 and is NOT meeting todays new super computers. I think it is great that Apple takes a stand and forces this upon the people. Like they did USB and like they did Firewire.

Back then NO BODY wanted firewire cuz they were happy with IDE and SCSI today NO ONE seems to be wanting to live without it. That is called progress and progress has it upsides and downsides. But progress is NEEDED to evolve.

So - I wont sign this petition at all :-)

Does not matter anyway how many signs this. Apple AINT gonna change NOTHING for their users. Never have and never will. They just DONT listen.
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I agree 100%

Firewire in theory is a good protocol, but the crappy cables and horrible connector design never should have lasted this long. To top that, it seems like almost every manufacturer of firewire audio interfaces has had nothing but trouble with drivers for the last year or so.

And it's a good thing that ethernet doesn't have bus power. I think that bus power is one of the biggest flaws that firewire has. The biggest problem with it is that if the cable is plugged in backwards, or even just twisted while it's plugged in, you short out the data and power wires. This ruins the cable, the computer, and/or the device. Being that on most macs the firewire interface is part of the motherboard, you just ruined your computer if it is meant to rely on firewire.

I am curious about how target disk mode will be done on these new macs, is this now done over USB or ethernet?