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[elambo]

Digidesign | Products | Pro Tools | Pro Tools 8 | Get Ready for Pro Tools 8

I like what I see so far. All of it. I feel that we've waited for some of this for way too long.

[Solar]

Gotta admit that it's looking great GUi redesign or revamped, comping etc.. looking forward to see more technical details about ADC, number of track limitations etc..

But very exciting indeed!! woooooooooow!!!

Edit: about "More Tracks Than Ever", if i'm reading well, only Pro Tools Le will be allowed to get the new ProTls Tool Kit to be able to go up to 128 tracks count? How about M-powered?

[edwinhurwitz]

This does look good. I wonder what the surround mixing will be like and how it will take to actually hit the streets. It's too bad that MP seems a little crippled for expansion, as I would much prefer to use my Metric Halo boxes with the Lightbridge rather than using my 002R. I'd love to get a pure lightpipe box that does LE.

Edwin

[Solar]

Originally Posted by DielonYaMon

They would have to be complete idiots not to make it for M-powered.

plus, my informant said otherwise, so we'll see.

I think the same Dielon!! So let's be patient and see!!!

[elambo]

Originally Posted by Solar

Edit: about "More Tracks Than Ever", if i'm reading well, only Pro Tools Le will be allowed to get the new ProTls Tool Kit to be able to go up to 128 tracks count? How about M-powered?

Hmmm... I'd assumed that it applied to M-Powered also, but I don't know.

[Psyko/Acoustics]

Originally Posted by Solar

looking forward to see more technical details about ADC, number of track limitations etc..

Hey, I couldn't find any mention of ADC. Where'd you find details?

That would be very cool...

[Solar]

Originally Posted by Psyko/Acoustics

Hey, I couldn't find any mention of ADC. Where'd you find details?

That would be very cool...

As i said, not in their official website yet but just like Sonar - Cakewalk, remember when Sonar 8 was announced they announced the fancy stuff on their website but 2 days later one of the developers of Sonar released a full thread about the technical details about really issues such us CPU improvement etc.. etc.. so i hope that by tomorrow or this week-end we will get further infos about into deep concerns like ADC etc... and hope that they addressed this issue for Pro Tools users. I'm not really one pro tools user but i might consider a bit more with the track count that has been upgrade up to 128.... I only use PT for client session, got m-powered.

Looking forward to know now what the price for the new Tool Kit will be...

Cheers!!

[elambo]

If ADC were a part of PT8-LE I think it would have been highlighted in the initial release. That would be a huge implementation. Maybe they're stalling - trying to grease the onslaught of HD users who would say, "hey, WTF?!?"

[peeder]

Originally Posted by elambo

If ADC were a part of PT8-LE I think it would have been highlighted in the initial release. That would be a huge implementation. Maybe they're stalling - trying to grease the onslaught of HD users who would say, "hey, WTF?!?"

It's not a huge implementation, it's a cinch! Seriously! They've already done all the hard parts!

And they came onto the other thread and said Nanner nanner you ARE NOT GETTING ADC in PTLE. fuuck

[Solar]

Originally Posted by elambo

If ADC were a part of PT8-LE I think it would have been highlighted in the initial release. That would be a huge implementation. Maybe they're stalling - trying to grease the onslaught of HD users who would say, "hey, WTF?!?"

I don't get this mentality of thinking, WHY would HD users would say such a thing? It's not about HD users or LE or M-powered users? It's simply about implementing something for me that sound to be the right thing to let the user no matter in withc scale they are to benefit of the ADC or whatever other needed tool or add-ons for their workflow no?

[ryst]

Originally Posted by elambo

Hmmm... I'd assumed that it applied to M-Powered also, but I don't know.

In order to get 128 track you need to get the "Complete Production Toolkit" which combines the new Music Production Toolkit 2 with the Dv ToolKit 2. Since the DV Toolkit 2 is only for LE users, the "Complete Production Toolkit" is also only for LE users.

However, the M-Powered version can still get the Music Production Toolkit 2 for 64 stereo or mono tracks. Until the DV Toolkit 2 is made for M-Powered users like myself, we won't be able to get the "Complete Production Toolkit".

[electricsound]

PT8 looks very interesting to me - the also just announced 003R+ on the other hand very much does not. at all.

[elambo]

Originally Posted by Solar

I don't get this mentality of thinking, WHY would HD users would say such a thing? It's not about HD users or LE or M-powered users? It's simply about implementing something for me that sound to be the right thing to let the user no matter in withc scale they are to benefit of the ADC or whatever other needed tool or add-ons for their workflow no?

It was sort of a joke, resonating from another long-winded cluster **** of a thread that lead nowhere.

[elambo]

Originally Posted by peeder

It's not a huge implementation, it's a cinch! Seriously! They've already done all the hard parts!

"Huge" -- the impact it would have on the LE audience.

[Solar]

Originally Posted by ryst

In order to get 128 track you need to get the "Complete Production Toolkit" which combines the new Music Production Toolkit 2 with the Dv ToolKit 2. Since the DV Toolkit 2 is only for LE users, the "Complete Production Toolkit" is also only for LE users.

However, the M-Powered version can still get the Music Production Toolkit 2 for 64 stereo or mono tracks. Until the DV Toolkit 2 is made for M-Powered users like myself, we won't be able to get the "Complete Production Toolkit".

Simply sucks then!! This is why i freaking love Digidesign policies or marketing approach. Bull****fuuck

[celticrogues]

Wow - this is pretty awesome! I have to say, though, I like the look of Pro Tools 7 and am not a huge fan of the redesign. Oh well, maybe I can just customize it to look like the old version
The rest looks great though!

Cheers!
-Mike

[superburtm]

Originally Posted by elambo

Digidesign | Products | Pro Tools | Pro Tools 8 | Get Ready for Pro Tools 8

I like what I see so far. All of it. I feel that we've waited for some of this for way too long.

this looks really freakin good...I am gonna upgrade to 8 and buy the complete upgrade kit

[coolout]

Originally Posted by elambo

"Huge" -- the impact it would have on the LE audience.

Delay compensation and track count limitations are the only things that still keep me away from Pro Tools.

[Flagg]

No ADC ?

Just ridiculous !

[Vocalvoodoo]

Originally Posted by Solar

Edit: about "More Tracks Than Ever", if i'm reading well, only Pro Tools Le will be allowed to get the new ProTls Tool Kit to be able to go up to 128 tracks count? How about M-powered?

I suspect this is the beginning of them making M-Powered the new LE, PTLE more of a mid level 'native' version of PT, then of course HD on top.

[Makinithappen]

Wow!!! This is big news. The GUI looks cool. As an HD user, ADC and track count doesn't matter to me much but this seems like a big step up for Digi!

[Sonic Nomad]

Originally Posted by Solar

I don't get this mentality of thinking, WHY would HD users would say such a thing? It's not about HD users or LE or M-powered users? It's simply about implementing something for me that sound to be the right thing to let the user no matter in withc scale they are to benefit of the ADC or whatever other needed tool or add-ons for their workflow no?

+1 What's this got to do with anything. As I've said before it's probably a feature we will never see because it can't be implemented into the DAE!

[Sonic Nomad]

Haha.. the rumors where true about it looking like Logic. Well in some ways that is.

It's looking real good.

NO ADC
I'm off to Logic for composing, MIDI, VI's and mixing duties.
Will flog the 003 as it's a no go with Logic as the Core Audio drivers have a serious polarity issue and Digidesign's attitude is they'll fix them when the fix them.
Just hope they don't get the same dyslexic programmer to pix up the molarity.

However I will get a MBOX Pro or similar so that I can do some tracking and audio editing in PT le.

The day will come when I can afford real Pro Tools till then I'll work in what's second best. ... oh well! *SIGH*

Oh and before you go on about the ATA plugin saving the day then good for you. For me it's not a solution in this day and age where the host should be dealing with this. Imagine having a 96 track project and having to nudge numerous tracks and or using the ATA plugin on said project with numerous auxes and group buses? Eeek
Several people have also taken me on regarding regarding Logic not having "true" PDC and not compensating with outboard as inserts. Well all I know is when I'm working in Logic and using numerous plugins across a mix and with VI,s and external MIDI it all sits snug. Yeah sure I got to manually compensate for outboard but in the bigger picture this is minor. (There is also a 3rd party ping plugin solution that reports outboard latency to the host for Logic.)
So with Logic I can focus on being creative and not have to juggle between the technical and creative.

Note to Digidesign: Please call Pro Tools LE something else like Hope Tools or whatever. tutt

[peeder]

Originally Posted by Sonic Nomad

As I've said before it's probably a feature we will never see because it can't be implemented into the DAE!

Don't start some bizarre rumor that has no basis whatsoever in reality. Honestly I myself with no knowledge of the Pro Tools source code probably get a working ADC into LE in a week. Someone familiar with the engine gets it done in a matter of hours. This is one of the most basic elements in a modern-day DAW. DAE is just a hardware driver thing.

[Sui_City]

Originally Posted by peeder

Don't start some bizarre rumor that has no basis whatsoever in reality.

Pot, meet kettle.

[peeder]

Originally Posted by Sui_City

Pot, meet kettle.

If you have information that factually contradicts anything I've ever posted here, out with it at once.

[Tony Shepperd]

After you spend 10 min. with PT 8 you will fall in love.
The GUI is much easier on the eyes and you can find many things faster.
But it's what's under the hood of PT 8 that is really impressive.

And yes there are those who will be upset that they didn't get everything they wanted.
But in the real world of improvements PT 8 is huge leap forward.

[SoundEng1]

Originally Posted by Tony Shepperd

After you spend 10 min. with PT 8 you will fall in love.
The GUI is much easier on the eyes and you can find many things faster.
But it's what's under the hood of PT 8 that is really impressive.

And yes there are those who will be upset that they didn't get everything they wanted.
But in the real world of improvements PT 8 is huge leap forward.

Thats Great Tony!
Did you get a chance to play with it yet?

[Sonic Nomad]

Originally Posted by peeder

Don't start some bizarre rumor that has no basis whatsoever in reality. Honestly I myself with no knowledge of the Pro Tools source code probably get a working ADC into LE in a week. Someone familiar with the engine gets it done in a matter of hours. This is one of the most basic elements in a modern-day DAW. DAE is just a hardware driver thing.

The following is an assumption;
The way I see it is the DAE is a "soft" version of TDM.
DAE is at the core of the LE system so all the other components are written around it.
I get the feeling that DAE is not just a driver that allows the app to talk with the interface but that is the CORE of Le the system - take it away and all you left with is a GUI.

And this why without a TOTAL rewrite or new engine we will never see features like;
ADC
Bounce to disk.
3rd party sound card support - although they did this with M-Audio but seems the implemented this into the engine coding. So for third party support they'd have to write the implementation into the engine itself.

Dunno if this makes sense to anyone but this is how I figure it to be.
As I said this is an assumption. Flame on!

[Sonic Nomad]

Giving it some further thought, there are clues as to what we're dealing with here. Why is it we get a DAE error? It's not a problem with a mere driver that we are talking about but an engine error.
Also in their marketing Digi state, "Structure delivers superior performance and reliability thanks to its direct integration with the Pro Tools audio engine."
The DAE is a linear engine from the ground up and in itself cannot perform non linear functions so how would it be easy to implement ADC? or Non Realtime Bounce or other features that rely on random access? The GUI offers random access to locations in the file but the Digidesign Audio Engine itself is always real time. This why to Pro Tools is great, it's a tape machine (GUI) and a mixer (Audio Engine.)

It's like taking a modular analog mixer and putting it in the digital world. The user accesses it via a GUI that allows them to configure the this mixer telling it how many channels and auxes it has. Now if you where to take an existing analog mixer and for some reason want to apply delay compensation on all the tracks you'd need to do it manually. Then if you decided to build delay compensation into the mixer as part of the mixers functions you'd probably be better of redesigning the mixer and starting over. Is this not possibly the same with the current DAE system?