Mellowmuse ATA Plugin fixes latency in PT Le

[Bryan Appel]

Hi devinocampo! I saw your report earlier about the ping not traveling through faders that are turned down a certain amount. I'm not sure that the problem I'm experiencing is related to this, however. I've been trying the plug out on a special test session with the faders up almost to unity. The problem seems to appear when I instantiate or remove a plug...but I haven't been able to notice a pattern for when it's going to happen.

I am using UAD plugs...I wonder if this is a problem. I'll keep messing around and report back if I come up with anything definitive.

I'll make sure that I'm not running through any delay/reverb plugs, as you say. Also, I have been putting the Time Adjuster in the first slot and I make sure each Time Adjuster is set to Audio, Aux, or Master as appropriate. Still, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that I'm being an idiot somehow...that happens occasionally.

Regarding the seeming inability of the ping to work through delay effects, I wonder if it wouldn't be a bad idea to design the plug so that a delay time can be entered manually. This is how this plugin worked originally, is it not? I am imagining that on tracks where there is a delay effect the user could disable the ping on that one track and instead enter the latency value of that track manually. The other tracks would still utilize the ping. If I understand correctly how this thing works, you would only have enter the latency on the delay effect track once. (The exception being of course if you change the latency on that track.)

[barryjohns]

Can you just bypass the delay plugin on a track, Ping, then turn it back on. I mean, how many delay plugs do we typically have going on a session?

[Bryan Appel]

Hi barryjohns. Yeah, point taken. I would say that I don't typically use more than 2-3 delay plugs and maybe the same number of reverbs in a session. But since the point here is to streamline our workflow, it seems best to cut down on the number of steps needed every time we add or remove a plugin. I don't know about the rest of you, but I experiment a lot while mixing :>)

[devinocampo]

Basically any plug-in that inhibits or changes audio in such a way that a ping is unable to pass clearly and in time should be bypassed or the effect turned off. For example... I've discovered that if you have an eq plug with the phase reversed then the ping will stop at that channel due to cancellation so it must be either bypassed or the phase invert turned off. I'm just assuming that this is a physical limitation of the ping method but i'm sure if it can be helped then mellowmuse will incorporate it. With UAD it is more like dealing with hardware inserts... when you master bypass the plug then you bypass the physical latency to and from the card and so the ATA will not be able to compensate. The actual effect would need to turned off if it is interfering. Fortunately, the one I use most that is a problem is the Plate 140 and this has a "power" switch on the GUI which just turns the effect off.

You could very easily switch out an ATA for a digidesign Time Adjuster and enter the delay manually. Each ATA seems to display all the relevant info, although I haven't completely figured out what it all means.

It's not quite as simple an "automatic" delay comp as one would want but I really feel once it gets worked into the workflow it is a really great solution to this insane problem that digi has bestowed on those of us unable to afford the HD. It's a total lifesaver for those of us who want use UAD.

Hope that helps

-Devin

[guitardom]

got it installed and going. do you need to insert the ata on every channel?? or just the channels that have latency?? i think on every channel to work properly but not sure

[devinocampo]

Yes... on every channel. Audio channels set to audio, aux channels set to aux and master fader set to master fader. If you are using aux busses you have to set up a "dry" aux channel that all audio channels are routed through... then bypass all sends while you ping. There is a pretty good video demo here

[guitardom]

cool, yea watched the video this morning. he went through it well enough, just did not specify things had to be done a certain way. seemed more like a "this is what it can do" kind of vid.

[jimmyz]

Digi882,

you are, in fact, spot on.

See below:

Pro Tools|24 MIX Systems End of Development

J

[digi882]

Anyone had issue authorising the plugins, it just shows status on the screen doesnt seem to be doing anything and the audio burst come through. blimey bit frustating.

[guitardom]

Anyone had issue authorising the plugins, it just shows status on the screen doesnt seem to be doing anything and the audio burst come through. blimey bit frustating.

same here. got a post up in there forum this morning but no response yet

[digi882]

isnt it always the way a very good plugin arrives but is almost ruined by horrendous copy protection. why no ilok the bugger if that is the worry. damn now i have to wait even longer for a fix for this. on top of that i have this burst of noise when testing heck a 7 day demo would still clinch the deal. please garry fix this issue. cheers

[barryjohns]

Originally Posted by digi882

isnt it always the way a very good plugin arrives but is almost ruined by horrendous copy protection. why no ilok the bugger if that is the worry. damn now i have to wait even longer for a fix for this. on top of that i have this burst of noise when testing heck a 7 day demo would still clinch the deal. please garry fix this issue. cheers

Come on "Demo" a 29.00 plug. Just buy it.

[guitardom]

Come on "Demo" a 29.00 plug. Just buy it.

we both have purchased it, just cant get the authorization to work. type it in, but doesnt do anything/??

[barryjohns]

Originally Posted by guitardom

we both have purchased it, just cant get the authorization to work. type it in, but doesnt do anything/??

Oh, are you connected to the internet? Have you gotten your authorization code emailed back to you?

[guitardom]

my recording machine is not on the web. after purchase i had an id code emailed to me which is what i put in the authorization slot in the plug. did not do anything from there. just stays in demo mode.

[barryjohns]

Originally Posted by guitardom

my recording machine is not on the web. after purchase i had an id code emailed to me which is what i put in the authorization slot in the plug. did not do anything from there. just stays in demo mode.

Your computer has to be connected to the internet to authorize.

[keithl]

Originally Posted by barryjohns

Your computer has to be connected to the internet to authorize.

Is this true?

If so, it could be a problem for the many folks who have their DAW on independent machines (such as myself)

Any workarounds?

[barryjohns]

Originally Posted by keithl

Is this true?

If so, it could be a problem for the many folks who have their DAW on independent machines (such as myself)

Any workarounds?

Straight from Melowmuse's website:

* You must have an active internet connection to authorise any of our plug-ins.

[keithl]

Then I hope there can be a workaround because many people do not want to put their DAW machines online.

[guitardom]

yea having to be connected to the internet is not gonna work for me regardless and i am sure many others will not do it. hopefully he can come up with a alternative way to authorize. if not i will have a plug for sale.

[eboy]

Hi,

I'm working on the fix for the authoriser on windows and should have
an update available today or tomorrow. Not every windows machine
is effected but this is why its important to try the demo first.
Apologies again for the inconvenience. I will also include an offline option.

best

Gary
Mellowmuse Software

[guitardom]

Hi,

I'm working on the fix for the authoriser on windows and should have
an update available today or tomorrow. Not every windows machine
is effected but this is why its important to try the demo first.
Apologies again for the inconvenience. I will also include an offline option.

best

Gary
Mellowmuse Software

thank you very much for your reply, and will await the offline option patiently

[d.dot]

Authorizing crashed my XP machine, but when I re-launched PT it was all good.

[barryjohns]

So, I was putting this thing through all kinds of test tonight. I had a situation where I kept pinging and pinging and nothing was being compensated. I was getting frustrated. Then I noticed I had some tracks muted. I un-muted the tracks and BAM, it worked perfectly. Lesson learned.

[eboy]

Hi

It would be very helpful if all windows ATA users could email me
their setup specs, those having problems and especially those not
to: mmsuport(at)mellowmuse.com

This might be a good time to move any technical discussions over to our forum
rather than use gearslutz in this way.

thanks
Gary

Mellowmuse Software
Mellowmuse Software

[pixelhead]

I am having the Auth problem also. I am on a mac and I am connected to the internet.

[digi882]

Cheers Barry (fellow believer here) ok i have a mac CONNECETD to the internet and it doesnt work either it basically paste sthe code id in hit return nada i ahve emaield garry but am yet to get a response need thsi sorted asap please. also need to get the v1.0 as well for my mix system.

please advise

[otobianki74]

dl'd it... a few things:

1) a bit unstable... in pt m-powered 7.4 (intel mac) the plugin was coming up, but when the session was restarted I couldn't bring back the plugs (DAE error). I had to quit PT completely, then relaunch to work the plugs. also, if I inactivate (control-apple) the ata plug then try and reactivate it I get the same DAE error.

2) crashed my system once.

3) when I created a session from scratch, the pinging seemed to work. I tried using the plug in a session I've been mixing in (putting it first in line on every channel, assigning proper settings, etc.) and the ping wasn't working at all at first. I then tried it again, and got the ping to work but it seems only to be pinging my aux faders. all the faders are at unity, I tried it with and without the inserts active.

oto

[audiogeekzine]

First of all, Gary thank you so much for making this solution. thumbsup

second, you are saying that there is a bug with the authorization scheme and suggesting people try the demo first. hello, without the authorization code, how could we test the bug?

and third, I have a short step by step tutorial on using ATA
Audio Geek Zine » Blog Archive » How to use Mellowmuse Auto Time Adjuster tutorial

There was no manual or instructions of any kind (besides your videos) and it took me a good 10 minutes to figure it out. The key thing you missed was that signal processing effects the pinging and all other plugs need to be bypassed, not just the sends

Thanks again!

~Jon~
Audio Geek Zine

[otobianki74]

possibly a stupid question:

do you have to keep pinging every time you introduce a new plug which introduces latency, or is it just once and then it adjusts automatically from there on out?

if you have to do it every time you have have a new insert (i.e. uad), it seems like a lot of work.. especially when having to follow audiogeekzine's steps.

oto