Waves SSL G Series - Page 2

**TonyBelmont** · 9th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steamy Williams

I was reliably informed that the dBx 2001 and 202 VCA's were only ever used for the channel fader, not for the dynamics section. I could have been misinformed though.

Well, that's not entirely true... because, I have schematics where the 202 is used in the stereo buss compressor as well.

I do know that most consoles had the 2151, though.

Steamy Williams · 9th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Well, that's not entirely true... because, I have schematics where the 202 is used in the stereo buss compressor as well.

I do know that most consoles had the 2151, though.

Yeah, you're right about the buss compressor - I forgot about the VCA in that. Anyway, if the Waves E and G Channels are historically correct, it's my understanding there shouldn't be much difference in the sound of the channel dynamics sections.

**TonyBelmont** · 9th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steamy Williams

Yeah, you're right about the buss compressor - I forgot about the VCA in that. Anyway, if the Waves E and G Channels are historically correct, it's my understanding there shouldn't be much difference in the sound of the channel dynamics sections.

I agree.

thermos · 10th July 2008

Smoother huh? Like duende smoother?

Coyoteous · 10th July 2008

Dang it, they just ran the 20% off special in April, so it'll probably be months before that rolls back around again (if it does at all).

So far, I'm late to the party for any classic/vintage emulation. This might be the way to for starters.

On another note, aren't some of the channel and dynamics VCA's shared? A good buddy of mine is an ace SSL tech (Electric Lady, A&M/Henson, Interscope).

Anyway, I thought he had mentioned that. He's currently doing music fulltime, but thinking of getting back in the tech game (PM me if you've got a gig).

lydpik · 10th July 2008

Can I get this if I have the SSL bundle WUP or is it only part of the Studio Classics?

redroom · 10th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by lydpik

Can I get this if I have the SSL bundle WUP or is it only part of the Studio Classics?

If you have the SSL bundle your get the G channel

lydpik · 10th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by redroom

If you have the SSL bundle your get the G channel

Ok, thanks!

pigcat · 10th July 2008

Although I haven't A/B the G EQ that originally came with the SSL when it was released, I think the G-Channel's EQ is very similar to the G EQ. There's no Bell curve for the LF though, a little less flexible (or was the HF also the same?). The cut/boost also can go as much as 20dB so maybe that's why it give an impression that it has big difference compared to E-Channel if judging the sound according to the knob.

Also at first glance, the dynamic section seems to sound the same as the E-Channel.

So my initial impression with this new channel seems like a G EQ combine with E-Channel dynamic section. But I've only played on it for like, 10 mins? Not much time to mess around with it, so my opinion might change after using it more.

Melgueil · 10th July 2008

Up and running here V6 - really rather painless.

Had a chance to play a 4 bar vocal loop same input through both E and G (A/B') side by side. Manually dialed in the identical settings I had previously set up on the E. Different sound for sure. Running the same input in, same "relative" settings - at least per the knobs, the G ran slightly hotter to the tune of pehaps a db or 2, thus ended up with more compression at identical settings.

Not sure I can describe it, but is sounds sweet - and it's another paintbrush in the box for sure. Was not BTW able to download G Series presets, although there is a link. The out of the box presets ARE different. it's new, it was free, who's complaining- well not here.

noiseflaw · 10th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by redroom

If you have the SSL bundle your get the G channel

I've been away for a while - missed all the Waves action.

You mean this is free... with SSL Bundle? - wow!

pigcat · 11th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by noiseflaw

You mean this is free... with SSL Bundle? - wow!

Not exactly, you'll have to update your WUP.

But hey, now even if you've lost your ilok, they'll replace it for you, due to the new TLC included in the WUP fees - WUP is now basically an insurans for your ilok, they'll replace your license if your ilok is stolen/lost.

Rumpel · 11th July 2008

Has anybody directly compared the Dynamics on the G Channel against the one on the E channel yet?It's the only thing "new" that is on offer here, and I'd rather not pay $200 to upgrade my Wup if the dynamics are identical. That would be just plain stupid?

Hopefully there is a demo available.

noiseflaw · 11th July 2008

You mean it gets better?

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigcat

But hey, now even if you've lost your ilok, they'll replace it for you, due to the new TLC included in the WUP fees - WUP is now basically an insurans for your ilok, they'll replace your license if your ilok is stolen/lost.

Double wow!

Well done Waves.

Jeez - I never thought I would say that.

**TonyBelmont** · 12th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rumpel

Has anybody directly compared the Dynamics on the G Channel against the one on the E channel yet?It's the only thing "new" that is on offer here, and I'd rather not pay $200 to upgrade my Wup if the dynamics are identical. That would be just plain stupid?

Hopefully there is a demo available.

There is a 30 day demo.

Rumpel · 12th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

There is a 30 day demo.

That's good. At least they're decent enough to offer that. I didn't really agree with Wup in principle, but al least you can find out if it's worth updating if there is a worthwhile product on offer.

I'm sure that it's no coincidence that they have waited for all of the initial adopters of the waves SSL to fall out of their Wup program before releasing this related program.

lydpik · 12th July 2008

Are the G-channel only added in the V6 update or in V5 also?

Izzi · 13th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by lydpik

Are the G-channel only added in the V6 update or in V5 also?

I was told by someone over @ Waves support that it's only added in the V6 update. Maybe someone else can confirm?

j-madd · 13th July 2008

I got my V6 running today. I put the SSL G channel and SSL channel on an acoustic guitar I recorded 6 mos ago. I then switched between the two using the preset "acoustic guitar" in each.

The difference was subtle (I am monitoring with Focal Solo 6's). It seemed to me that the acoustic guitar pumped more when going through the SSL channel. The pumping was not present in the G channel. This is good for the G channel.

Like I said the difference is subtle, it's not like I turned on the G channel and went "whoa a totally new sound". I think that "sweet" comment earlier is a good way to describe the difference, just remember this is a slight difference, not a night a day thing.

Justin

Mr.HOLMES · 14th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigcat

Not exactly, you'll have to update your WUP.

But hey, now even if you've lost your ilok, they'll replace it for you, due to the new TLC included in the WUP fees - WUP is now basically an insurans for your ilok, they'll replace your license if your ilok is stolen/lost.

The main reason why I do not buy new Waves Plug Ins again.
I pay twice for Plug In which I already have paid for....strange.

I can have the new channel only for WUP...means to me I actually buy it.
I can buy a I-lok insurance at I lok.com too???

I think Waves has to rethink the WUP thing.
This is for me a marketing trick to get me paying twice.

Not to hijack here.... I am just very disappointed by the customers politics of this company......

Johnkenn · 14th July 2008

I agree - I'll live without it and stick with my UAD plugs...

pigcat · 14th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.HOLMES

The main reason why I do not buy new Waves Plug Ins again.
I pay twice for Plug In which I already have paid for....strange.

No you pay for the new version update and new plugin added into the bundle. That is, if you don't need it, why do you care paying the money?

The reason behind WUP is they want you to buy the big bundle, the bigger you buy, the more you save.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.HOLMES

I can have the new channel only for WUP...means to me I actually buy it.
I can buy a I-lok insurance at I lok.com too???

I think Waves has to rethink the WUP thing.
This is for me a marketing trick to get me paying twice.

ZDT of ilok.com doesn't cover lost/stolen protection, all they do is to submit a prove that your ilok is stolen/lost, and software developer is the one who decide whether they want to replace the license for you, which, in most cases, won't replace the license for free.

I think WUP is great especially since the launch of V6, a lot of improvements have been done. Perhaps you need to rethink about WUP thing?

It's all down to your final decision though, nobody can force you to accept something you don't like about.

Kyle Ashley · 14th July 2008

Aside from an issue with what I believe was the Pace/iLok client software completely trashing the computer I used to update, I really like the G Channel. I find it quite different sounding than the E channel which has more lower mid honk and grit. The G is more airy, open and smooth all around. I'm grateful to have gotten it under my original wup plan.

macleodgrant · 14th July 2008

WUP is essentially your insurance & upgrade policy which now i'm happy to pay

e-cue · 14th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rumpel

Has anybody directly compared the Dynamics on the G Channel against the one on the E channel yet?It's the only thing "new" that is on offer here, and I'd rather not pay $200 to upgrade my Wup if the dynamics are identical. That would be just plain stupid?

Hopefully there is a demo available.

The dynamics section is the same in E-Channel and G-Channel plug in's. I posted a quick Q Clone graph of the difference in eq's with +6 added to each band here if you are interested:

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/2589201-post13.html

Is a Waves SSL G eq worth $200 to you that you can use multiple times? To me, it is even though I'll use the E-series much more often. But another consideration is that with that $200 you are covered in case they do issue something like, psht, I dunno, an SSL 9000 channel strip or something within your renewed wup period.

Wup has turned into a great program for me (I got the API, GTR3, Puigtec/Puigchild, etc for no additional cost). I'll be renewing next time around.

redroom · 14th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by e-cue

The dynamics section is the same in E-Channel and G-Channel plug in's. I posted a quick Q Clone graph of the difference in eq's with +6 added to each band here if you are interested:

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/2589201-post13.html

Is a Waves SSL G eq worth $200 to you that you can use multiple times? To me, it is even though I'll use the E-series much more often. But another consideration is that with that $200 you are covered in case they do issue something like, psht, I dunno, an SSL 9000 channel strip or something within your renewed wup period.

Wup has turned into a great program for me (I got the API, GTR3, Puigtec/Puigchild, etc for no additional cost). I'll be renewing next time around.

I did already state in the thread that the waves manual does state the Dynamics section is the same with the E and G strips.

e-cue · 14th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by redroom

I did already state in the thread that the waves manual does state the Dynamics section is the same with the E and G strips.

Just confirming for the guy that asked after your post. I didn't read the manual, I did a null test.

Duardo · 14th July 2008

Quote:

I'm sure that it's no coincidence that they have waited for all of the initial adopters of the waves SSL to fall out of their Wup program before releasing this related program.

I don't know...the SSL bundle has been out for about two and a half years now...it's not like they announced this the day after everyone's WUP expired...and it's not like they haven't released new products fairly regularly since then...

Quote:

I can have the new channel only for WUP...means to me I actually buy it.
I can buy a I-lok insurance at I lok.com too???

Well, if you already own the SSL bundle and have had it for more than a year then yes, you do have to pay for the upgrade...but it's (now) at a fairly reasonable upgrade price, and you're getting a few new features for the software overall in addition to the new plugins...and those new features address most of the complaints peopl have have had about Waves's upgrade policy over the past few years...

And no, you can't buy iLok insurance at iLok.com.

Night Stalker · 15th July 2008

i don't love paying wup but i still pay it and keep quiet about it. i am really tired of reading thread after thread of wup this, uad that, the same song goes on and on...zzzzzzzzzzzzz...

ProducerBoy · 15th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Night Stalker

i don't love paying wup but i still pay it and keep quiet about it. i am really tired of reading thread after thread of wup this, uad that, the same song goes on and on...zzzzzzzzzzzzz...

No doubt. I never knew a forum for audio professionals could so quickly turn into such a bitch & stitch sewing circle.

13th July 2008	#49
j-madd Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 354	I got my V6 running today. I put the SSL G channel and SSL channel on an acoustic guitar I recorded 6 mos ago. I then switched between the two using the preset "acoustic guitar" in each. The difference was subtle (I am monitoring with Focal Solo 6's). It seemed to me that the acoustic guitar pumped more when going through the SSL channel. The pumping was not present in the G channel. This is good for the G channel. Like I said the difference is subtle, it's not like I turned on the G channel and went "whoa a totally new sound". I think that "sweet" comment earlier is a good way to describe the difference, just remember this is a slight difference, not a night a day thing. Justin __________________ Justin Madden Follow me on twitter: @jmadd5000 Check out my music: http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/gar...-2/id433197725

14th July 2008	#53
Kyle Ashley Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tampa Bay/Cape Fear NC Posts: 1,029	Aside from an issue with what I believe was the Pace/iLok client software completely trashing the computer I used to update, I really like the G Channel. I find it quite different sounding than the E channel which has more lower mid honk and grit. The G is more airy, open and smooth all around. I'm grateful to have gotten it under my original wup plan. __________________ Kyle Ashley www.kyleashley.com

15th July 2008	#59
Night Stalker Gear maniac Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 178	i don't love paying wup but i still pay it and keep quiet about it. i am really tired of reading thread after thread of wup this, uad that, the same song goes on and on...zzzzzzzzzzzzz... __________________ We're all screwd

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10th July 2008	#34
thermos Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 3,552	Smoother huh? Like duende smoother?

10th July 2008	#35
Coyoteous Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,131	Dang it, they just ran the 20% off special in April, so it'll probably be months before that rolls back around again (if it does at all). So far, I'm late to the party for any classic/vintage emulation. This might be the way to for starters. On another note, aren't some of the channel and dynamics VCA's shared? A good buddy of mine is an ace SSL tech (Electric Lady, A&M/Henson, Interscope). Anyway, I thought he had mentioned that. He's currently doing music fulltime, but thinking of getting back in the tech game (PM me if you've got a gig).

10th July 2008	#36
lydpik Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 662	Can I get this if I have the SSL bundle WUP or is it only part of the Studio Classics?

10th July 2008	#39
pigcat Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 759	Although I haven't A/B the G EQ that originally came with the SSL when it was released, I think the G-Channel's EQ is very similar to the G EQ. There's no Bell curve for the LF though, a little less flexible (or was the HF also the same?). The cut/boost also can go as much as 20dB so maybe that's why it give an impression that it has big difference compared to E-Channel if judging the sound according to the knob. Also at first glance, the dynamic section seems to sound the same as the E-Channel. So my initial impression with this new channel seems like a G EQ combine with E-Channel dynamic section. But I've only played on it for like, 10 mins? Not much time to mess around with it, so my opinion might change after using it more.

10th July 2008	#40
Melgueil Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Montpellier, France Posts: 771	Up and running here V6 - really rather painless. Had a chance to play a 4 bar vocal loop same input through both E and G (A/B') side by side. Manually dialed in the identical settings I had previously set up on the E. Different sound for sure. Running the same input in, same "relative" settings - at least per the knobs, the G ran slightly hotter to the tune of pehaps a db or 2, thus ended up with more compression at identical settings. Not sure I can describe it, but is sounds sweet - and it's another paintbrush in the box for sure. Was not BTW able to download G Series presets, although there is a link. The out of the box presets ARE different. it's new, it was free, who's complaining- well not here.

11th July 2008	#43
Rumpel Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: London/LA Posts: 303	Has anybody directly compared the Dynamics on the G Channel against the one on the E channel yet?It's the only thing "new" that is on offer here, and I'd rather not pay $200 to upgrade my Wup if the dynamics are identical. That would be just plain stupid? Hopefully there is a demo available.

12th July 2008	#47
lydpik Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 662	Are the G-channel only added in the V6 update or in V5 also?

14th July 2008	#51
Johnkenn Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 3,808	I agree - I'll live without it and stick with my UAD plugs...

14th July 2008	#54
macleodgrant Lives for gear Join Date: May 2007 Location: London Posts: 2,417	WUP is essentially your insurance & upgrade policy which now i'm happy to pay