WAVES Introducing the JJP collection

[raal]

Originally Posted by Duardo

If that day comes...which may happen, but may not...hardware (other than preamps, of course) really may not be necessary for tracking.

true, but hell the pultecs look better in the rack than plugs don't they? anyway while that day arrives or not, i'm sure digging outboard. i really don't doubt that day will arrive, it's pretty dang close now, but i'm pretty sure i'll still be keeping my outboard; specially pres and MICS, and maybe some comps... and maybe...

whatever, but back on topic, plugs are great too. wouldn't want o be without them.

[DaveC]

I'd really like to hear some comparisons with Waves vs UAD

I'd REALLY like to hear some comparisons with Waves vs Bombfactory.
The API bundle they made is really nice, especially the 2500-compressor,
but I seriously doubt that Waves is capable to emulate tube eq's and comps,
that's why I wonder how much better the Waves' version of the Fairchild and Pultec is compared to the Bombfactory's, UAD, or any version.
It sounds like a remix of a remix...

[danielbest]

Originally Posted by BigJunk

I'd really like to hear some comparisons with Waves vs UAD.

me too...

[badgerman]

No way are they as good as my UAD vesion's, I really spent some time comparing them, two of the most classic outboard and they get a producer to endorse them? (horrible big red name on the GUI) cos they borrowed his machines, they probably been modded or updated, they don't sound as they should to me. There isn't the same weight at the bottom and the high's are not as smooth on the Puigtec as the UAD.

Really dissapointed as they didn't need this guy to promote such great peices of hardware, plus they aren't as good as the UAD.

I mean the name puigchild & puigtec is superbad..

[raal]

haven't seen anyone say they've compared their UADs to the real thing... anyone? if this question is OT just ignore it. thanks.

[theblotted]

Originally Posted by badgerman

here isn't the same weight at the bottom and the high's are not as smooth on the Puigtec as the UAD.

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i've definitely noticed that the PuigChild has some sort of roll-off at the bottom end.

putting it on a 2bus, and switch it in and out. pretty obvious actually.

[salomonander]

Originally Posted by badgerman

There isn't the same weight at the bottom and the high's are not as smooth on the Puigtec as the UAD.

haven't tried the waves. but i would never call the uad pultec smooth in the highs.
compared to newer software eqs it actually sounds really harsh and brittle to my ears.

[gainreduction]

Originally Posted by theblotted

i've definitely noticed that the PuigChild has some sort of roll-off at the bottom end.

putting it on a 2bus, and switch it in and out. pretty obvious actually.

If I´m not mistaken that happens with the hardware too.

Please correct me if I´m wrong about that.

[World Studios]

Originally Posted by DaveC

I'd REALLY like to hear some comparisons with Waves vs Bombfactory.
The API bundle they made is really nice, especially the 2500-compressor,
but I seriously doubt that Waves is capable to emulate tube eq's and comps,
that's why I wonder how much better the Waves' version of the Fairchild and Pultec is compared to the Bombfactory's, UAD, or any version.
It sounds like a remix of a remix...

I posted a quick comparison between the Bomb Factory and Waves Pultecs earlier in this thread. Check it out! I compared the EQ's. I don't have the BF Fairchild...

[Tube World]

Originally Posted by manthe

This looks interesting but, I just have to step in with my opinion (since a lot of others have).

Demoing Waves V series against UAD-1 Neve stuff let me somewhat unimpressed with the Waves offering, given what they want to charge for them. That isn't to say they sounded or performed badly. But, for that money I expected them to be as good as, or better than UAD's. IMO, they were not. Whether or not they were attempting to emulate the same hardware is not germane to my opinion. I just thought it clearly did not sound as good.

I also did not think their SSL emulations stood up to the Duende (by a greater margin, IMO). Once again, I realize they are meant to emulate different hardware. It was still a matter of one just plain-ol' sounding better than the other. In this case, I REALLY wanted the Waves stuff to be better. It would have saved me almost $900!

One last thing. I think people SEVERELY underestimate the effectiveness of DSP processing. I have 4 UAD-1 cards and a Duende classic. I can do HUGE ITB mixes on my Core 2 Quad with 4GB of RAM without batting an eyelid! The offboard DSP processing is extremely effective and very welcome.

I was mixing a very poorly tracked song the other day. I was on a tight budget. I had to move quickly and stay ITB. Between my 2 systems I had 41 plugins instantiated. I still had plenty of DSP power to spare and my native CPU(s) were at an aggregate 12%!

I'm not a Waves hater/basher. I also am jealous of those who get these free! That is great customer loyaltly, IMO. I am going to demo them all the same

You might have liked the UAD Waves "sound" better, but I saw the video with Eddie Kramer where he A/B the real and Waves V Series and he and I were impressed. The Waves SSL is modeling a different SSL console compared to the Duende plug ins so of course they will sound different. I was told the UAD Neve plug ins suck up so much power on a DSP card that it's a joke. If you have 4 UAD cards, I am sure i'ts not a problem, but hey what ever works for you.

[lllubi]

Originally Posted by raal

haven't seen anyone say they've compared their UADs to the real thing... anyone? if this question is OT just ignore it. thanks.

i did read studies on 1176 hard and software (german only)
some guys from sweden started a thread on their results from their study

once i got through the german comparison it was easier for me to understand
how to get the hardwares sound i was looking for from the plugin

was the only way to make me happy using the emus since i missed
the sound of the hardware

[Tube World]

Originally Posted by badgerman

No way are they as good as my UAD vesion's, I really spent some time comparing them, two of the most classic outboard and they get a producer to endorse them? (horrible big red name on the GUI) cos they borrowed his machines, they probably been modded or updated, they don't sound as they should to me. There isn't the same weight at the bottom and the high's are not as smooth on the Puigtec as the UAD.

Really dissapointed as they didn't need this guy to promote such great peices of hardware, plus they aren't as good as the UAD.

I mean the name puigchild & puigtec is superbad..

If you expected the Waves to sound the same as the UAD, of course you will be disapointed. The Waves sounds like this guys hardware gear. To the best of my knowledge they were not modified. As we all know, one Fairchild will not sound the same as another Fairchild as well. When you say it does not sound as they should.....have you ever heard a real Pultec or Fairchild? Don't use the UAD modeling as the real McCoy for Waves to copy. It could be that UAD does not sound like the real thing. I really can't answer that because I never heard a real Fairchild or Pultec. I do like the way the UAD Pultec sounds though. The Fairchild by UAD I was never crazy about. It took too much away from the low end. It sounds ok on a drum bus but that's about it.

[zboy2854]

So after pages and pages in this thread, what have learned here kids?

The Waves plugs sound better than the UAD plugs.

The UAD plugs sound better than the Waves plugs.

The Waves plugs sound like the hardware they're modeled after.

The Waves plugs don't sound like the hardware they're modeled after.

The highs on the UAD Pultec are smooth.

The highs on the UAD Pultec are brittle.

LMAO. In the end, all this confirms is that you gotta use your own ears and see if the tools work for you personally. If they do, great. If not, great. Use Waves. Use UAD. Use hardware. Use none of the above. Whatever gets you through the mix.

[elmolemon]

Word!

[s0nguy]

Originally Posted by zboy2854

So after pages and pages in this thread, what have learned here kids?

The Waves plugs sound better than the UAD plugs.

The UAD plugs sound better than the Waves plugs.

The Waves plugs sound like the hardware they're modeled after.

The Waves plugs don't sound like the hardware they're modeled after.

The highs on the UAD Pultec are smooth.

The highs on the UAD Pultec are brittle.

LMAO. In the end, all this confirms is that you gotta use your own ears and see if the tools work for you personally. If they do, great. If not, great. Use Waves. Use UAD. Use hardware. Use none of the above. Whatever gets you through the mix.

well said...

-s0nguy

[jumpnyc]

FWIW

They're pretty cool. Can I use them? - definitely. Am I glad I got them free with Mercury? - Yes! Are they the be all end all? Not sure. It will take some months of deciding to use them and seeing the results to determine that for me, anyway

[DAWgEAR]

Originally Posted by WavesCS

Hello again everyone,

This has already been discussed earlier in this thread
here

Version 6 will have the license transfer and other iLok.com features we have all been wanting for some time.

__________________
All the best,

Tim Holbert
Waves Customer Support

Tim,

Will version 6 provide APA44/32 support again? Expanded APA support?

Prior to 5.9.7, no netshell support has been added since circa 2005: SSL, API, VSeries have not been supported.

Since 5.9.7. no waves plugins are supported.

[WavesCS]

We have been working on continued support for APA. A short time after launch of 6.0 there will be resumed support for APA. However we do not have an ETA at this time.

Keep an eye on waves.com and the Waves Newsletter for updates on this.

[lydpik]

Originally Posted by WavesCS

We have been working on continued support for APA. A short time after launch of 6.0 there will be resumed support for APA. However we do not have an ETA at this time.

Keep an eye on waves.com and the Waves Newsletter for updates on this.

How about the question about better ICON support for V-Series/API??


Thanks,
Peter

[AMIEL]

Originally Posted by epp

It's not an insight, it's an opinion.

But I can't for the life of me get this poor-man's-hardware software philosophy of late, plugs sound nothing like hardware- any person who's not a complete and utter fool knows that.

A few years ago waves and others would come up with genuine innovations, and processes you can not do with analog hardware, like their linear phase designs, convolution FX, dynamic 'tool-kit' processors and maxxbass etc. At that time they brought something new to the table.

Who could give a turd about a PUIGtec? ****in hell.

In reality if you want to sound like JJP or any other Top mixer you do not need the JJP Waves or even his real Pultecs or Fairchilds or any other plug in or hardware , you need to think and feel the music in a similar manner, you need to have the experience, taste and also the quality products he receive to be mixed...regardless and even with the wonderful gear JJP have as his disposal he will still sound JJP with RNC,DBX,Mackie 8 Bus and any other low budget Harware gear or just mixing ITB.

The point here is to try to emulate some great hardware gear that YOU may feel helps to make your work sounds better....reagardless most of people never used or heard the sound of a Pultec or Fairchild in their hands...so really is kind of obsolete if the emulation is 60-100% accurate, as long you feel sounds great and give you a sound you really like and that you feel will enhance your sound , then all is great!
Anyway in these days you may find more and more people using plug ins..even the die hard analog guys...and think about this: if JJP really love and uses his few Real Pultecs and Fairchilds..Don`t you think if he have now a plug in that emulate the essence of that wonderful hardware that he love so much...that JJP will use many intances of this Plug in in his mixes?

[indie]

I just bought them. My demo ran out while recalling a mix. I tried to emulate with various plugs.... nope, couldn't do it. Had to buy.

Tony Belmont is good people.

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by indie

Tony Belmont is good people.

[lydpik]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

In reality if you want to sound like JJP or any other Top mixer you do not need the JJP Waves or even his real Pultecs or Fairchilds or any other plug in or hardware , you need to think and feel the music in a similar manner, you need to have the experience, taste and also the quality products he receive to be mixed...regardless and even with the wonderful gear JJP have as his disposal he will still sound JJP with RNC,DBX,Mackie 8 Bus and any other low budget Harware gear or just mixing ITB.

The point here is to try to emulate some great hardware gear that YOU may feel helps to make your work sounds better....reagardless most of people never used or heard the sound of a Pultec or Fairchild in their hands...so really is kind of obsolete if the emulation is 60-100% accurate, as long you feel sounds great and give you a sound you really like and that you feel will enhance your sound , then all is great!
Anyway in these days you may find more and more people using plug ins..even the die hard analog guys...and think about this: if JJP really love and uses his few Real Pultecs and Fairchilds..Don`t you think if he have now a plug in that emulate the essence of that wonderful hardware that he love so much...that JJP will use many intances of this Plug in in his mixes?

You said it!!

[pedrodash]

Does anyone noticed the delayed reverb on JJP's voice (during the interview)???
So I guess that's the PuigVerb?

[lllubi]

Originally Posted by pedrodash

Does anyone noticed the delayed reverb on JJP's voice (during the interview)???
So I guess that's the PuigVerb?

thought it is his room
did like it very much

[ddageek]

Originally Posted by epp

Jesus, what a lame idea for a product.

Ok for you maybe, but for a lot of us this great. Epp you may have a studio with all the great analog gear in great condition but that would mean you are camped out at some place like Blackbird or Oceanway ( I doubt it) some of us have had the privilege to use soe good examples of this most often modeled gear and you know what? We like some of these plugins! Why? Simple we have also seen and heard some really bad examples of the sam that someone has spent way to much money on!
Now some of us talk on a regularl basis to people who still work in highend rooms on a day to day basis, guess what alot of these guys reach for the plugin! Why because they know exactly what it will do! (How many times have you reached for that old neve module or clone thinking perfect than fought with it because it jut won't do what a 108 is supposed to do?)
Now I use plugins for a couple of simple reasons
1 I and my clients can't afford the real deal yeah I know people at API/ATI/Arsenal, Yeah I own a couple of 560s which I think are a bargain but I can't afford 16 plus a bunch of 550s and comps, but for the price of one 560 I can get the bundle whic comes pretty freakin close!, Yeah I could print tracks 2 at a time thorough my 560s but my clients cant afford the time!
My clients are a simple mixture of non-for profits and guys who got suckered in to thinking tey could record and mix them selves by the GCs of this world (stuff still comes in on ADAT and DA88)!
2 I have a kid yeah that eats the gear budget and multiplies the repair budget cuts the time and makes recall the Holy grail!

So learn to think before you spout something so arrogant and stupid!

[ddageek]

Originally Posted by WavesCS

Hello again everyone,

This has already been discussed earlier in this thread
here

Version 6 will have the license transfer and other iLok.com features we have all been wanting for some time.

__________________
All the best,

Tim Holbert
Waves Customer Support

Tim the world needs a great LA2 and 1176 emulation that can be used without dedicated hardware and on multiple platforms!!!

[barryjohns]

If you guys could just emulate UAD's emulation of the LA-2a and 1176 I'd be happy.

[Dusty Angel]

Originally Posted by ddageek

Tim the world needs a great LA2 and 1176 emulation that can be used without dedicated hardware and on multiple platforms!!!

yes "Waves - The Vintage Compressor Collection"

feat.
1176 black face
1176 blue strip
LA2A
LA3A

thumbsup

[pedrodash]

Originally Posted by lllubi

thought it is his room
did like it very much

I wouldn't like it in my control room