WAVES Introducing the JJP collection

[World Studios]

I asked Wave tech support about the Pultec plugs not sharing DSP's. This is the, not so promising, reply.

This is known issue, this is a co-dependent "problem" between us and Digidesign. At this time I do not know if and when this will/can be changed.

We all depend on Digi and Waves...

[elmolemon]

Originally Posted by peeder

I only have the musician's II (which they sold me for $40 late one night) and I have no plans to buy any more until they send written apologies to everyone they secretly spied upon (no kidding...read up on it) and publish the apology in full page ads in the industry press.

could you please explain this?

[peeder]

Originally Posted by World Studios

I asked Wave tech support about the Pultec plugs not sharing DSP's. This is the, not so promising, reply.

This is known issue, this is a co-dependent "problem" between us and Digidesign. At this time I do not know if and when this will/can be changed.

Codependency indeed.


...Codependent no more!

[peeder]

Originally Posted by elmolemon

could you please explain this?

At least in the USA, Waves sends secret agents into recording studios to have a look at their plugins under false pretenses. They take notes to see if there are Waves plugins installed that aren't licensed. If they think they find some, they have a really foul shyster send a nasty lawyer letter threatening to sue for tens of thousands of dollars.

This has happened many times. Waves set up a website to advocate their position. You can google "Waves piracy" to read some horror stories.

This is the most self-destructive thing a company can do in so many ways...there are very good reasons virtually no company has ever done anything like this. I wrote fairly extensively on it here though many of my posts got deleted with the threads. Piracy is actually a very beneficial part of the software ecosystem, and the proper response to it getting out of hand is to improve copy protection mechanisms. NEVER to bankrupt or threaten your potential market! tutttutttutt

[JPeters86]

Alright, just did a quick mix with just these plugins (except for the reverb on the vocals). No mastering or stuff going on here, just a plain normalized mix. Check it out here:

JJP series.m4a

I really, really love them. Especially the Fairchild emu. Never had the chance to work with the real thing nor the UAD emu's, so I can't compare, but it's very sweet imo.

[lydpik]

Originally Posted by computa

say what u want about waves. their ssl, v series, api are some of the best plugins to date. I will grab these new ones too.

+1 on that, there emulations eats URS Consolestrip Pro for breakfast!!

[orenrs]

Fantastico!

I downloaded the demo, it sounds great!

As regards to the authorization,

For those how have pproblem, you probably doing something wrong.

This is what you need to do:
First enter to your Waves account!
Select "Get Demo" and enter your Waves account login name and password.

Then go to your client account page.
You will see at the "Demo" section the JJP.
Go to "Authorizations" and select "Authorize iLok".

Search you the JJP product, select it and "Submit Authorization"

Then enter your iLok serial number and hit submit.

Connect youor iLok to the computer, run the JJP authorizer, copy the respone you get on the internet page, pace it to the response section in the authorizer and hot next.

Good luck!

[Ambroise]

Originally Posted by peeder

At least in the USA, Waves sends secret agents into recording studios to have a look at their plugins under false pretenses. They take notes to see if there are Waves plugins installed that aren't licensed. If they think they find some, they have a really foul shyster send a nasty lawyer letter threatening to sue for tens of thousands of dollars.

This has happened many times. Waves set up a website to advocate their position. You can google "Waves piracy" to read some horror stories.

This is the most self-destructive thing a company can do in so many ways...there are very good reasons virtually no company has ever done anything like this. I wrote fairly extensively on it here though many of my posts got deleted with the threads. Piracy is actually a very beneficial part of the software ecosystem, and the proper response to it getting out of hand is to improve copy protection mechanisms. NEVER to bankrupt or threaten your potential market! tutttutttutt

They did the same thing here in Paris France, visiting every studio and sending letters and callings. Some got caught but for the most they didn't had any kind of proof and just tried to blackmail you to sell their plugs.

[jbuntz]

Originally Posted by peeder

Oh shit now we're going to have the battle of AC hum modeling? I have to listen to music with even more 60 cycle buzz? Great.

BTW is it true that WUP is per bundle? I only have the musician's II (which they sold me for $40 late one night) and I have no plans to buy any more until they send written apologies to everyone they secretly spied upon (no kidding...read up on it) and publish the apology in full page ads in the industry press.

The "analog" hiss that some of the v series plugins generate is very annoying. If you turn the analog button off, it seem to bypass some of the tonality of the plugin along with the hiss. I'm sure you can model analog gear without the hiss.

[JPeters86]

Turning off the analog mode in the V-series results in loss of harmonic distortion as well, which is basically what it's all about. If you have session of let's say 25 tracks, all with V-EQ on them, the hiss can get quite annoying, right? A bit of hiss is very nice imo, but I wonder when it gets too much.

[jbuntz]

Originally Posted by JPeters86

Turning off the analog mode in the V-series results in loss of harmonic distortion as well, which is basically what it's all about. If you have session of let's say 25 tracks, all with V-EQ on them, the hiss can get quite annoying, right? A bit of hiss is very nice imo, but I wonder when it gets too much.

I don't ever try to get hiss. If one is to record to tape and gets a bit of hiss as a byproduct, then cool. A bit is okay but it's not why tape is sought after. Hiss is the reason why noise reduction in tape machines was invented. It's not music, it's noise. Harmonic distortion can be musical though. The vcomp with the output up can produce enough hiss that it is quite annoying, even as the sole 2 mix comp.

[JPeters86]

Originally Posted by jbuntz

I don't ever try to get hiss. If one is to record to tape and gets a bit of hiss as a byproduct, then cool. A bit is okay but it's not why tape is sought after. Hiss is the reason why noise reduction in tape machines was invented. It's not music, it's noise. Harmonic distortion can be musical though. The vcomp with the output up can produce enough hiss that it is quite annoying, even as the sole 2 mix comp.

Yeah you're right. I think it's a big step up to be able to bypass the hiss but still have the vintage qualities, as is possible now in the JJP series. Some hiss is nice in my music though, mainly folk/blues. But with the V-series it tends to get too much from time to time.

[Duardo]

But once they did even those I wonder if Waves (and other companies too) will come up with something new (and good sounding) instead of digitalize old gear.

They've done it in the past...the Renaissance plugins have been around for a long time now, but weren't modeled after any specific hardware, just with a more vintage "vibe" in general and I still find myself using them from time to time. There are plenty of other companies out there who offer good plugins as well that aren't modelled after specific pieces...McDSP comes to mind, and I find myself using Digidesign's "Smack" compressor from time to time as well...

Wow, I had no idea the Mercury bundle was $8000 for the native edition!

If you buy it anywhere but from Waves directly you'll pay much less than retail...

They should have modelled a channel strip from his Focusrite Forte Console and included it as well.

Since Focusrite already has a plugin version of the Forte channel strip they may encounter legal issues if they try to do that...if they do I'd expect it to look a little different than the real thing, a lá the V-Series plugins...

BTW is it true that WUP is per bundle?

Yes, but it's not $200 per bundle...it's $200 max per bundle, but for the smaller bundles it will be less. And if you own several of their bundles you can usually combine them into a larger bundle...it may cost a bit but would save on WUP fees in the long run. And, contrary to popular conception, you don't have to pay the WUP fee every year to keep using your plugins.

[World Studios]

I have never WUP-ed in my 6 years of Waves-dom. I have upgraded instead. Much more fun :-) Since I am at Mercury now, it is going to be really hard to keep that plan up, but there might be a Kryptonite bundle in the future. God knows, that if they are going to model all the gear at Sherif JJP's crib, there is truly need for a new bundle. Or mabye they will keep giving it away to us Mercurys? I wish...

[WavesCS]

Originally Posted by PMoshay

i got them in and working. If youre having problems, just call waves........ they are always happy to work you thru it, PICK UP THE TELEPHONE AND CALL THEM, they are very nice people.

Waves (865) 909-9200

I don't happen to have a Fairchild anymore, and i did use Anthony DeMaria's for a while, but i do know that these plug in's are very good and will be used alot by me.

All the comparisons get kinda boring....... try it, if you feel you can make better records with it......... THEN IT'S THE BEST ONE!

Thank you for this posting this Peter. We have obviously been swamped with the new JJP release and I had not made it over to the GS forum yet.

I think the majority of my posts on the GS forums regarding Waves are to just call us at 865-909-9200 if you have questions or problems on upgrades, demos, etc. You will probably be surprised how quickly you will get someone on the phone and get back to working on your projects. Also to clarify a point, you do not have to be under the Waves Update Plan to call for assistance on a demo.

On that note, we are working on a new authorization system that should make not only the demo but also full product authorization process more intuitive. We are aware our current system could be much better and we are heavily working on improving it

__________________
Best Regard,

Tim Holbert
Waves Customer Support

[pigcat]

Originally Posted by Duardo

If you buy it anywhere but from Waves directly you'll pay much less than retail...

Plus, usually, around 50%, if it's on 20% special month. I got my Waves plugins no more than 60% of the retail price, and some below 50% cause of the 20% special.

[Dom & Roland]

watching that video almost makes me wanna buy them....but i already have tritones and urs pultecs and more oftten than not just end up using sonalksis or csp on everything anyway....so **** it!

[pigcat]

Originally Posted by WavesCS

Thank you for this posting this Peter. We have obviously been swamped with the new JJP release and I had not made it over to the GS forum yet.

I think the majority of my posts on the GS forums regarding Waves is to just call us at 865-909-9200 if you have questions or problems on upgrades, demos, etc. You will probably be surprised how quickly you will get someone on the phone and get back to working on your projects. Also to clarify at point, you do not have to be under the Waves Update Plan to call for assistance on a demo.

On that note, we are working on a new authorization system that should make not only the demo but also full product authorization process more intuitive. We are aware our current system could be much better and we are heavily working on improving it

__________________
Best Regard,

Tim Holbert
Waves Customer Support

Tim, great to have someone from Waves around!

Any chance to have the Waves licenses user-transferable between iloks within the same ilok account? I don't quite like the idea having Waves licenses stuck on the ilok forever.

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by WavesCS

Thank you for this posting this Peter. We have obviously been swamped with the new JJP release and I had not made it over to the GS forum yet.

I think the majority of my posts on the GS forums regarding Waves are to just call us at 865-909-9200 if you have questions or problems on upgrades, demos, etc. You will probably be surprised how quickly you will get someone on the phone and get back to working on your projects. Also to clarify a point, you do not have to be under the Waves Update Plan to call for assistance on a demo.

On that note, we are working on a new authorization system that should make not only the demo but also full product authorization process more intuitive. We are aware our current system could be much better and we are heavily working on improving it

__________________
Best Regard,

Tim Holbert
Waves Customer Support

your participation in the thread is appreciated. at least you guys are listening to the comments of users and potential users.

a new authorisation process would be appreciated along with full support for iLok.com Processing Request

will this be bundled with the studio classics bundle with revised pricing? it works out cheaper to upgrade and keeps WUP a little more bearable too

cheers, grant

[pigcat]

Originally Posted by macleodgrant

will this be bundled with the studio classics bundle with revised pricing? it works out cheaper to upgrade and keeps WUP a little more bearable too

cheers, grant

I doubt it, but I hope so cause I own the Studio Classic Bundle and that'll be free for me.

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by pigcat

I doubt it, but I hope so cause I own the Studio Classic Bundle and that'll be free for me.

i don't imagine it should be free for the existing Studio Classics owners however they could package it as Studio Classics II and it could be a cheaper upgrade than a full purchase - there definitely should be an incentive by making the plugins cheaper for existing users where an upgrade path doesn't exist

is there an upgrade path from the likes of Platinum to Studio Classics???

[WavesCS]

Originally Posted by macleodgrant

a new authorisation process would be appreciated along with full support for iLok.com Processing Request

will this be bundled with the studio classics bundle with revised pricing? it works out cheaper to upgrade and keeps WUP a little more bearable too

cheers, grant

Thanks Grant.

Yes we have been working with Pace/Ilok.com for quite some on implementing iLok.com features like the "iLok.com Processing Request." Waves Version 6 is very close and will bring many iLok.com features we have all been looking forward to (both company and users). Due to the sheer size of the Waves bundles and line this has taken some time.

In Version 6 will also bring a new level of customer support with "TLC" included as part of the Waves Update Plan. More details on TLC will be available upon release of Version 6.

Of course Version 6 will be free for WUP covered licenses when released.

Have a great day guys,

Tim Holbert
Waves Customer Support

[yumdrum]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Is it just me or does this dude look exactly like one of the bad guys from the first DieHard movie with Bruce Willis? When he started talking, I was shocked he didn't have a deep voice with German accent...



Do you really think you have a chance against us, Mister Cowboy?

Yippee-ki-yay, mother****er!

Good Call! But this should be in the "look-a-like" thread.

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by macleodgrant

i don't imagine it should be free for the existing Studio Classics owners however they could package it as Studio Classics II and it could be a cheaper upgrade than a full purchase - there definitely should be an incentive by making the plugins cheaper for existing users where an upgrade path doesn't exist

is there an upgrade path from the likes of Platinum to Studio Classics???

Unfortunately, the only upgrades to Studio Classics is from any of the following:

V series, API, SSL, and (possibly) Mercury to get the SSL at a discount... there doesn't seem to be any crossgrades from any of their standard Gold, Platinum, or Diamond bundles.

[bforest4]

Originally Posted by elmolemon

But you gotta be careful because the 200$ cap is per bundle!

so if you own 3 bundles it's again 600$...

The above quote is concerning WUP fees.

That's why it makes sense to buy the Mercury bundle which is $200 per year for amost everything! You should be able to get it for at least 35% off, especially if you wait for their once a year 20% off deal on that bundle, and Native is just fine if you have a current Mac, I barely use the TDM side because it is so inefficient. And so far, if you bought Mercury, every year you get at least $800(or $1,600 for TDM) retail in plugins for free, pretty good deal.

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by WavesCS

Thanks Grant.

Yes we have been working with Pace/Ilok.com for quite some on implementing iLok.com features like the "iLok.com Processing Request." Waves Version 6 is very close and will bring many iLok.com features we have all been looking forward to (both company and users). Due to the sheer size of the Waves bundles and line this has taken some time.

In Version 6 will also bring a new level of customer support with "TLC" included as part of the Waves Update Plan. More details on TLC will be available upon release of Version 6.

Of course Version 6 will be free for WUP covered licenses when released.

Have a great day guys,

Tim Holbert
Waves Customer Support

thanks for the response Tim, looking forward to the release of version 6 however i can't figure out what 'TLC' stands for...
TLC is normally an abbreviation for Tender Love and Care, what's it in this context?

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Unfortunately, the only upgrades to Studio Classics is from any of the following:

V series, API, SSL, and (possibly) Mercury to get the SSL at a discount... there doesn't seem to be any crossgrades from any of their standard Gold, Platinum, or Diamond bundles.

thanks tony!

this is a downfall in imo but hopefully they'll remedy the upgrade options with the release of version 6

i do however own V-Series and have been wanting to upgrade to the Studio Classics bundle (you quoted me ) though been holding off since i'm upgrading my converters at the moment (what a nightmare) but would definitely jump on it if there were included

cheers, grant

[indie]

Ok, I tried them on a mix I'm doing today. They are really good. I couldn't get the same sound on Bass with the URSCP as the Puigtec... the Puigtec was beefier. Puigchild is pretty cool too, I dig it.
MEQ5 is the coolest of the bunch.... if you ask me.
Cool sounding plugins.
Anyone know what the street price is for the Native version???????

[barryjohns]

I own Waves API, V, and SSL individually. How do I get them under the Studio Collection Bundle so I only have the bundle to upgrade?

[JPeters86]

Originally Posted by indie

Anyone know what the street price is for the Native version???????

800 native / 1600 tdm