New Euphonix Controller now at Sweetwater

[GearGuy]

Official now...

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MCmix/

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MCcontrol/


I assume Euphonix will be updating their webpage today....

[Animus]

Awesome. Mac only for now right?

[emkay]

a little confusing without the elaboration on the Euphonix site
I guess the MC Mix is to be considered an expander for the MC Control
Would like more info on the monitor software and how it integrates with an Aurora or Apogee or Prism or RME etc etc etc......looks cool so far and the price for the two is attractive

[ABGen]

this looks hot - but for that money i hope they have preset templates to auto configure to all plugins etc. otherwise i'll just stick with my motormix

[pace]

Thanks for the post gear guy. This looks like a really nice controller option. With Logic supporting Eucon, this is something I'm really interested in checking out with our Symphony rig.

Touch screen baby!

[GearGuy]

Originally Posted by Animus

Awesome. Mac only for now right?

Yes

Originally Posted by emkay

a little confusing without the elaboration on the Euphonix site
I guess the MC Mix is to be considered an expander for the MC Control
Would like more info on the monitor software and how it integrates with an Aurora or Apogee or Prism or RME etc etc etc......looks cool so far and the price for the two is attractive

Not, each unit can be used alone (the MCmix has transport control also) or combined and joined together (the endcaps come off) for up to 4 units. So this is not like the Mackie units where you have to buy the main unit and then add faderpacks. Each Euphonix unit works buy itself... and if you just want faders and DAW control, then the MCmix could work for you.

[GearGuy]

Originally Posted by ABGen

this looks hot - but for that money i hope they have preset templates to auto configure to all plugins etc. otherwise i'll just stick with my motormix

No templates necessary, as it used the EuCon protocol. Any EuCon app sync with it for control... this is way beyond template integration!

[pixelhead]

Argh, These look cool but, Why do these companies continue to over look the mid sized studio that needs a nice sized functional controller i.e. C24, Dcommand size. I am feeling like all the companies look at (insert non pro tools DAW here) users as bedroom jockeys trying to save space.

All i want is a C24 style controller with F@#KING METERS! I am old school I worked behind a desk for 15 years. I dont feel right making music without the desk in front of me.

I know you guys will say to use the mackie mcu. I have one with 4 expanders. They have been nothing but trouble. The QC is crap. I have had to replace almost all my faders because they keep dying. Mackie will not replace the units so I am screwed.

At the end of the day I am kinda understanding why studios go to pro tools. They get the big picture. I dont agree with the pricing or the business model but after looking at the non pro tools market I see what they are doing and it makes sense to me.

I have been asking tech guys at tascam and mackie for years why they dont have an actual meter bridge on the controllers. They said why do you need that, look at your screen. I dont want to look at my screen I want to face forward and pay attention to the music.

Well sorry for the rant, I really hoped these would be the answer to my wants but not this time. I guess I will just head off to ebay and look for a used hd system and d-command and give in to the big bad diginaut. I wanted to stay with Logic exclusively but for now it is not to be done.

[ABGen]

Originally Posted by GearGuy

No templates necessary, as it used the EuCon protocol. Any EuCon app sync with it for control... this is way beyond template integration!

So are you saying that this controller will auto adapt to my VST instruments and plug ins for full knob and slider control heaven?

[Geert van den Berg]

I have not used the Euphonix yet, but as it looks I think Euphonix hit the nail on the head with the footprint of this thing IMHO.

Looking from an ergonomic point of view and in an computer enviroment this makes sense. Offcourse you can buy fancy Ergotron arms to connect your display's but usually they're still in the way and bother with the acoustics of the sweetspot. (not to say that this is solved with the Euphonix controller, but you do get some more space to configure your working area, I'd buy the Ergotrons anyway too, they're great...).

[jjdpro]

I totally agree with you.. We have been asking for a C24 type of controller for about 5-7 years now and all we get is this Crappy thing!!!

I'm not impressed with this and the Yammys N12 BS!! stuff for the bedroom guy/gal..

I want 24-32 faders with metering. I want to impress clients.Clients like Faders.!!

Products like this are nothing more than Wet-Dreams. Close , but not the real thing...

Originally Posted by pixelhead

Argh, These look cool but, Why do these companies continue to over look the mid sized studio that needs a nice sized functional controller i.e. C24, Dcommand size. I am feeling like all the companies look at (insert non pro tools DAW here) users as bedroom jockeys trying to save space.

All i want is a C24 style controller with F@#KING METERS! I am old school I worked behind a desk for 15 years. I dont feel right making music without the desk in front of me.

I know you guys will say to use the mackie mcu. I have one with 4 expanders. They have been nothing but trouble. The QC is crap. I have had to replace almost all my faders because they keep dying. Mackie will not replace the units so I am screwed.

At the end of the day I am kinda understanding why studios go to pro tools. They get the big picture. I dont agree with the pricing or the business model but after looking at the non pro tools market I see what they are doing and it makes sense to me.

I have been asking tech guys at tascam and mackie for years why they dont have an actual meter bridge on the controllers. They said why do you need that, look at your screen. I dont want to look at my screen I want to face forward and pay attention to the music.

Well sorry for the rant, I really hoped these would be the answer to my wants but not this time. I guess I will just head off to ebay and look for a used hd system and d-command and give in to the big bad diginaut. I wanted to stay with Logic exclusively but for now it is not to be done.

[Killahurts]

Originally Posted by jjdpro

I want 24-32 faders with metering. I want to impress clients.Clients like Faders.!!

At least you're honest about why you're disappointed.

Fortunately for me nowadays, impressing the clients is less of a matter of faders, and more a matter of getting the job done.

[planet red]

These look like they'd fit perfectly on the sterling modular desk.. I've been wanting something just like this.

[BrianT]

Originally Posted by jjdpro

I want 24-32 faders with metering. I want to impress clients.Clients like Faders.!!

Cool. Here ya' go!

Euphonix - System 5-MC


Oh, wait. You meant you want a lot more stuff for just a little bit more money? You want to impress clients with a console that looks expensive, but you don't want to pay more than a couple/few grand for it.

Well, you could get a C24. But then you'd have to have spent serious coin on an HD rig, first. Which is part of how Digi can subsidize the thing. It's all a captive system, and they are going to get your money one way or another.

Why do people complain that they want somebody to make something cooler than they're willing to pay for, but then they want them to charge peanuts for it? I don't get it. Being familiar with Eucon, here is a brand new controller that has integration and functionality far beyond it's competition, with far greater control that is elegantly implemented. It''s innovative, to the extreme, relative to what's already out there.

But on the first day it's presented, the whining begins (complete with little Thumbs-down icons), from people who don't even understand how it works or what it does, yet.

Hey, while we're at it, I'd like them to make a car a lot like the new Corvette Z06, but they should sell it to me for about the price of a Honda Civic. And I'm chapped it hasn't happened yet.

[crypticglobe]

I love it!!

The ONLY beef I have with it is the lack of LCD scribble strips on the 4 faders on the main unit. I hate having to GUESS what fader I am grabbing, and this very problem killed the Tascam units that didn't have scrible strips.

Anyway....no biggee. For the price... I can just pick up 2 or 3 8 fader packs which DO have scribble stribs and set up the sliders on the main unit for VST instrument control or headphone output levels or something....

Way to go Euphonix! I would have never believed they could ever put out anything other than a cable between $1000.00 and $2000.00, but they did!! Awesome!

[Dave Peck]

Originally Posted by jjdpro

I want 24-32 faders with metering.

You can have 32 faders with the MC MIX. The black end caps are removeable and the units snap together to form one large surface. And you have metering. It's embedded in the hi-res OLED displays above the faders.

[Jules]

Originally Posted by pixelhead

Argh, These look cool but, Why do these companies continue to over look the mid sized studio that needs a nice sized functional controller i.e. C24, Dcommand size. I am feeling like all the companies look at (insert non pro tools DAW here) users as bedroom jockeys trying to save space.

All i want is a C24 style controller with F@#KING METERS! I am old school I worked behind a desk for 15 years. I dont feel right making music without the desk in front of me.

I know you guys will say to use the mackie mcu. I have one with 4 expanders. They have been nothing but trouble. The QC is crap. I have had to replace almost all my faders because they keep dying. Mackie will not replace the units so I am screwed.

At the end of the day I am kinda understanding why studios go to pro tools. They get the big picture. I dont agree with the pricing or the business model but after looking at the non pro tools market I see what they are doing and it makes sense to me.

I have been asking tech guys at tascam and mackie for years why they dont have an actual meter bridge on the controllers. They said why do you need that, look at your screen. I dont want to look at my screen I want to face forward and pay attention to the music.

Well sorry for the rant, I really hoped these would be the answer to my wants but not this time. I guess I will just head off to ebay and look for a used hd system and d-command and give in to the big bad diginaut. I wanted to stay with Logic exclusively but for now it is not to be done.

Originally Posted by BrianT

Why do people complain that they want somebody to make something cooler than they're willing to pay for, but then they want them to charge peanuts for it? I don't get it. Being familiar with Eucon, here is a controller that has integration and functionality far beyond it's competition, with far greater control that is elegantly implemented. It''s innovative, to the extreme, relative to what's already out there.

But on the first day it's presented, the whining begins (complete with little Thumbs-down icons), from people who don't even understand how it works or what it does, yet.

Seems like the mid sized studio blues.... ?

[Nowak]

I'm totally digging this, looks a little different to the standard fare, and the ability to switch to different apps is great, means I can have one controller for my Logic rig and PT rig.........might turf the ProControl now.

Stef

[jjdpro]

BrianT , Long time.. This is Paris user LaMont..How goes it @ Lakewood Church..The sound coming from my TV setup is wonderful. You guys are doing a great job..

My point: If Digi can make a cool C24 (In-Which) I'd pay for IF, I were a 100 percent Digi user...I'm not. I use Nuendo 80 percent, then Pro Tools 20 (to Mix)...Then of Course Paris.. (To Impress LoL!!)

The C24 cost around $7,500.00 street. You don't need a HDsetup..Although I have an HD2 and an M-Powered (48track version).

Can somebody Pleaseeeeee make a console like the C24 for the rest of us???

Like you, at the Church I work for (Straight Gate International, we 2 Million dollar suites that are anchored with an SSL and big time fader (48)Pro-Control . I can easily say "Just go out and get a big-buck fader).. That's stupid..

If you check the Nuendo user forum, we have been barking about a C24/Control 24 like unit for at least 3 years now.. We even have a guy (M Girad) that was going to spear-head the project but could not get the SDK from Steinberg.. Ok..enugh of that..

But, for the mid-market or the guy/gal who does what to spend 50-100k for faders, there has to be another solution other than Digi..

Are we saying that Digi si the only ones who get's it?? Because, they have a controller for every market segment..

Originally Posted by BrianT

Cool. Here ya' go!

Euphonix - System 5-MC


Oh, wait. You meant you want a lot more stuff for just a little bit more money? You want to impress clients with a console that looks expensive, but you don't want to pay more than a couple/few grand for it.

Well, you could get a C24. But then you'd have to have spent serious coin on an HD rig, first. Which is part of how Digi can subsidize the thing. It's all a captive system, and they are going to get your money one way or another.

Why do people complain that they want somebody to make something cooler than they're willing to pay for, but charge peanuts for it? I don't get it. Being familiar with Eucon, here is a controller that has integration and functionality far beyond it's competition, with far greater control that is elegantly implemented. It''s innovative, to the extreme, relative to what's already out there.

But on the first day it's presented, the whining begins, from people who don't even understand how it works or what it does, yet,

[TRW]

Originally Posted by crypticglobe

I love it!!

The ONLY beef I have with it is the lack of LCD scribble strips on the 4 faders on the main unit. I hate having to GUESS what fader I am grabbing, and this very problem killed the Tascam units that didn't have scrible strips.

True but you won't have to guess as the TFT tells you what the 4 faders are assigned to...

Pricing looks awesome - I'm definitely getting one, maybe a pair of extenders over time...

However not sure it has swap mode on the faders which would be a big shame, I was certain it would but the scribble strip appears to use one half for pan info and not an extra channel on swap.

Also, something I haven't seen addressed here yet - Eucon licence.

Logic has Eucon bundled for all of about £100! Logic is nuts in terms of value.
Surely the Nuendo Eucon licence has to be cheaper now - its more than the controller itself...

-T

[BrianT]

Hey LaMont,

Ooops. Sorry if I popped you too hard there. Comes from aging, you know..........

[Animus]

Originally Posted by jjdpro

BrianT , Long time.. This is Paris user LaMont..How goes it @ Lakewood Church..The sound coming from my TV setup is wonderful. You guys are doing a great job..

My point: If Digi can make a cool C24 (In-Which) I'd pay for IF, I were a 100 percent Digi user...I'm not. I use Nuendo 80 percent, then Pro Tools 20 (to Mix)...Then of Course Paris.. (To Impress LoL!!)

The C24 cost around $7,500.00 street. You don't need a HDsetup..Although I have an HD2 and an M-Powered (48track version).

Can somebody Pleaseeeeee make a console like the C24 for the rest of us???

Like you, at the Church I work for (Straight Gate International, we 2 Million dollar suites that are anchored with an SSL and big time fader (48)Pro-Control . I can easily say "Just go out and get a big-buck fader).. That's stupid..

If you check the Nuendo user forum, we have been barking about a C24/Control 24 like unit for at least 3 years now.. We even have a guy (M Girad) that was going to spear-head the project but could not get the SDK from Steinberg.. Ok..enugh of that..

But, for the mid-market or the guy/gal who does what to spend 50-100k for faders, there has to be another solution other than Digi..

Are we saying that Digi si the only ones who get's it?? Because, they have a controller for every market segment..

What about the ID control? Looks like it is what you need and the price is right.... I read some comments on GS that the C24 was cheap junk, but you know how that goes.

[emkay]

The damn thing hasn't even been posted on the Euphonix website yet and we've already got a bunch of GS members in a huff about all the oversights on behalf of Euphonix and a couple of self appointed reps of the company taking it upon themselves to belittle the "complainees" for voicing their personal opinions!!
It's a New Year, how 'bout we all take a deep breath, wait til the info is officially posted, and then if you feel it's that important ,then take it up with Euphonix.
That way you avoid the typical and predictable "blood bath of assumptions" here at GS, that quite frankly is a little sophomoric and embarrassing at times.

We just started '08
Let's try to communic8

....here's to music and all the gear that gets in the way..............peace my GS brothers!

[Macaroni]

Does anyone have a solid ETA yet?

[jjdpro]

What's sophmoric, singing praises about a product they have not been seen? Is that embarrassing as well?

Originally Posted by emkay

The damn thing hasn't even been posted on the Euphonix website yet and we've already got a bunch of GS members in a huff about all the oversights on behalf of Euphonix and a couple of self appointed reps of the company taking it upon themselves to belittle the "complainees" for voicing their personal opinions!!
It's a New Year, how 'bout we all take a deep breath, wait til the info is officially posted, and then if you feel it's that important ,then take it up with Euphonix.
That way you avoid the typical and predictable "blood bath of assumptions" here at GS, that quite frankly is a little sophomoric and embarrassing at times.

We just started '08
Let's try to communic8

....here's to music and all the gear that gets in the way..............peace my GS brothers!

[jamwerks]

Originally Posted by pixelhead

Argh, These look cool but, Why do these companies continue to over look the mid sized studio that needs a nice sized functional controller i.e. C24, Dcommand size. I am feeling like all the companies look at (insert non pro tools DAW here) users as bedroom jockeys trying to save space.

All i want is a C24 style controller with F@#KING METERS! I am old school I worked behind a desk for 15 years. I dont feel right making music without the desk in front of me.

I know you guys will say to use the mackie mcu. I have one with 4 expanders. They have been nothing but trouble. The QC is crap. I have had to replace almost all my faders because they keep dying. Mackie will not replace the units so I am screwed.

At the end of the day I am kinda understanding why studios go to pro tools. They get the big picture. I dont agree with the pricing or the business model but after looking at the non pro tools market I see what they are doing and it makes sense to me.

I have been asking tech guys at tascam and mackie for years why they dont have an actual meter bridge on the controllers. They said why do you need that, look at your screen. I dont want to look at my screen I want to face forward and pay attention to the music.
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I hear where you're coming from, but in taking a long look at it on the SW site, it may well be better than a C/24. I've been a bit jealous of the integration that PT HD users can get for about $7000 (C/24). I'm with 24 channels of MC pro which isn't bad but still falls short of my desirs. I'd like to see a video of this thing in operation (with logic). This whole touch screen (e.g. Apple IPHONE) idea is new to those who work with boards, but IMO is the future. I bet you'll be able to do a whole lot with it, quickly acessing lot's of different parameters.

Look at all the buttons on a big PT 32 ICON. I think that it goes for more than $100,000 and looks extremely wide and deep. The guys most always be on their feet leaning way foward and sideways out of the sweet spot to manipulate it. I think that the touch screen solution is the future and PT guys may soon be want this kind of a product..............

[deuc647]

I think the only company that can deliver what we are asking is tascam, the dm-4800 with out the digital mixer part and some more knobs with scribble strips would be my perfect controller.

[AMIEL]

looks great! what are the main differences between the MC control and MC mix?

are both linkable?

[SlowCooker]

I bet that if Euphonix had released a mid-sized surface a-la C24, then we would have a bunch of people complaining that there was nothing in the small, home-project studio market worth investing in.

there will always be someone complaining about what is NOT available as opposed to celebrating what IS available.

you can not make all people happy all of the time.

IMHO - learn to work with what you got and what is available and make the best of it. It's not the equipment but your creative minds that makes good sounds. Now go - and be happy today!

[Vietstylistic]

Originally Posted by pixelhead

Argh, These look cool but, Why do these companies continue to over look the mid sized studio that needs a nice sized functional controller i.e. C24, Dcommand size. I am feeling like all the companies look at (insert non pro tools DAW here) users as bedroom jockeys trying to save space.

All i want is a C24 style controller with F@#KING METERS! I am old school I worked behind a desk for 15 years. I dont feel right making music without the desk in front of me.

I know you guys will say to use the mackie mcu. I have one with 4 expanders. They have been nothing but trouble. The QC is crap. I have had to replace almost all my faders because they keep dying. Mackie will not replace the units so I am screwed.

At the end of the day I am kinda understanding why studios go to pro tools. They get the big picture. I dont agree with the pricing or the business model but after looking at the non pro tools market I see what they are doing and it makes sense to me.

I have been asking tech guys at tascam and mackie for years why they dont have an actual meter bridge on the controllers. They said why do you need that, look at your screen. I dont want to look at my screen I want to face forward and pay attention to the music.

Well sorry for the rant, I really hoped these would be the answer to my wants but not this time. I guess I will just head off to ebay and look for a used hd system and d-command and give in to the big bad diginaut. I wanted to stay with Logic exclusively but for now it is not to be done.