New Euphonix Controller now at Sweetwater

[crypticglobe]

Originally Posted by TRW

Also, something I haven't seen addressed here yet - Eucon licence.



-T

BINGO!!!! I mentioned that the first time I saw the hints about this thing.

If they make you buy the Eucon license, and don't include it with the controller... the loooooowww price is no longer low at all, but rather more than double the hardware cost alone!!!!!

[jjdpro]

Hey Man.. That's ok.. Good to hear from you .. Happy New Year to you and the Family

Originally Posted by jjdpro

What's sophmoric, singing praises about a product they have not been seen? Is that embarrassing as well?

[CplusE]

Not to be picky. But would love the jog/ wheel to be on left and a mouse ball on the right. I guess im buying a extra mouse then. Was waiting because of the MC pro was designed like this. But still look great.

Cant wait to see video's.

[De chromium cob]

Hahahahaha! No thanx.

[BrianT]

Originally Posted by crypticglobe

BINGO!!!! I mentioned that the first time I saw the hints about this thing.

If they make you buy the Eucon license, and don't include it with the controller... the loooooowww price is no longer low at all, but rather more than double the hardware cost alone!!!!!

There will have to be a scaled pricing for a tiered functionality Eucon module. I would expect a lower priced version that operates only the new MC Control series.

Eucon is an additional software module installed in addition to the DAW app, and then separately licensed via the dongle. At least that's how it's handled with Nuendo.

[BrianT]

Originally Posted by deuc647

I think the only company that can deliver what we are asking is tascam, the dm-4800 with out the digital mixer part and some more knobs with scribble strips would be my perfect controller.

Not to sound rude (seriously), but I think once you see what the Eucon protocol can do, you will realize that Tascam just can't go there.

The "magic" of this new box is not really the hardware. I'm sure the hardware is excellent, probably more than just 1 letter grade above Mackie.

But what's really compelling here is the 4 years Euphonix has invested in recruiting DAW makers and in conjunction with them developing a mature control protocol, far and away beyond HUI mode.

Eucon can reach all the way inside of these DAWs to have bidirectional control over internal parameters that nothing else can at this point. Control Room functions, pre-mapped plugin readout and parameters, Edit functions, anything you can do with a mouse or QWERTY, anywhere in the app. It just depends on how the particular DAW chooses to implement that control. But as a control protocol, it's as capable as an Icon D is for Pro Tools, only for many other DAWs.

So the advantage here is not really about the hardware. It's about the depth and elegance of control options.

[BrianT]

Originally Posted by ETM Dude

It says it comes with "Studio Monitor Express" software, maybe a lite version of Eucon?

I expect that sooner or later, Euphonic will sell a hardware monitor box controlled by Eucon that will add professional control room and headphone functions.

I'm just guessing, but that's how the high end Euphonix controller setups work. Probably a scaled down version, which could be huge for many users.

[deuc647]

I feel you on that brian, but if i gotta pay for a eucon license, it makes the price of that 4 fader controller what 3500, cuz its 2k for the license right?

[kenn.michael]

Originally Posted by BrianT

Eucon can reach all the way inside of these DAWs to have bidirectional control over internal parameters that nothing else can at this point. Control Room functions, pre-mapped plugin readout and parameters, Edit functions, anything you can do with a mouse or QWERTY, anywhere in the app. It just depends on how the particular DAW chooses to implement that control. But as a control protocol, it's as capable as an Icon D is for Pro Tools, only for many other DAWs.

So the advantage here is not really about the hardware. It's about the depth and elegance of control options.

Spot on Brian. Spot on.

[TheSweetener]

Is the rumour true that it's MAC only in the beginning?

Does this thing still support MC and HUI protocols for DAWs without Eucon?

[christmasjones]

Originally Posted by TheSweetener

Is the rumour true that it's MAC only in the beginning?

Yes

[GearGuy]

Originally Posted by Macaroni

Does anyone have a solid ETA yet?

MCmix... this month. MCControl... I hesitate to say, but it will be available later. A couple of months later is what is projected.

Originally Posted by jjdpro

What's sophmoric, singing praises about a product they have not been seen? Is that embarrassing as well?

I do realize that you were commenting about other people, not to me... However I have indded seen it, touched it, used briefly with Logic, etc. Of course it's possible that others have also... Euphonix has been working on this for a long time! People have signed non-disclosure documents who have known about this for probably close to a year. (I'm not one of them BTW, my interaction was proably about 1 month ago...)

Also in the "defense" of those you are talking about... the EuCon protocol is the big deal about this product, and that's been around for a couple of years now. So knowledge about that equals an understanding of these products. The "cool factor" and real power of EuCon communication with a DAW really needs to be experienced, or at least viewed durining a demo (in my opinion,) to really get how it's better than other control options... to offer this at the low price ranges of the MCmix and MCcontrol is what the fuss is all about...

[GearGuy]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

looks great! what are the main differences between the MC control and MC mix?

are both linkable?

Info on the differences are listed on websites... you've probably read about it by now. The MCcontrol is more for DAW control and editing, and the MCmix is more for mixing... although of course both can be used for either. Up to 4 units can be combined (the end caps come off, but there is still a slightly annoying black strip between each unit) and each (mix or control) can be used alone. There is no "buy the main unit/brain first" concept like for the Mackie Control products.

[GearGuy]

Originally Posted by crypticglobe

BINGO!!!! I mentioned that the first time I saw the hints about this thing.

If they make you buy the Eucon license, and don't include it with the controller... the loooooowww price is no longer low at all, but rather more than double the hardware cost alone!!!!!

Not going to be an issue....

[zboy2854]

Somebody please tell me that this protocol and controllers can be configured to work with Pro Tools?

Edit: Nevermind, I just went to Euphonix' site and YES, it works with PT! I am SO getting the MC Mix!!!!

[StudioTinPanAll]

i think you saw the 15.000$ big brother, the mc pro

the mccontrol is not mentioned on their site yet

[zboy2854]

Originally Posted by StudioTinPanAll

i think you saw the 15.000$ big brother, the mc pro

the mccontrol is not mentioned on their site yet

Yes, but since their currently listed MC products will work with Pro Tools, it seems a given that their latest ones will as well, no?

Also, from the Sweetwater Select catalog I just got in the mail:

"Since both the MC Control and MC Mix are compatible with virtually every popular DAW out there, they'll easily fit into any studio."

[SlowCooker]

From what I understand, the EuCon licensing for Nuendo is a Steinberg issue since it's authorized through Syncrosoft.

There is no need for EuCon licence to run with Logic; i suspect that the EuCon licensing will be DAW dependent and not in the hands of Euphonix.

furthermore it would be silly if the license is more than the hardware and not a likely situation... but what do I know.

dfegad digi

[GearGuy]

I don't remember everything about using Mac version ProTools with the MCmix and MCcontrol products, so I would have to check into that before I comment publicly...

But it's important to note that for the big MC product (the $16k version) the support for Protools is not like the support for Nuendo/Logic etc because Digidesign does not support the EuCon protocol. However, it does work as well as say a Mackie Control and the like work, but of course that is no where near the power of EuCon with other software. The big deal for man of the original MC users was the ablility to seemlessly switch between apps like Final Cut/ Logic/Nuendo and ProTools.

My own personal thoughts are that Digi will never impliment EuCon support in ProTools, so it will always have to work via HUI/Mackie Control, etc...

[SlowCooker]

actually - what Euphonix has done with the HUI back-door is pretty amazing, not to mention programmable soft-keys (S5MC) that can be used to create strings of key-commands with names and icons... it's really ideal for a Pro Tools EDITOR! Especially since so much is done with key-commands.

If they put some of this "customizable" behavior into the MC-Control it will ba REALLY HOT unit - even for ProTools.

[SlowCooker]

thats all from what the S5MC can do of course...

only time will tell us how much of this spills over to the new units..

[zboy2854]

Yeah, I don't care if the full Eucon protocol is integrated with PT. Based on what the Euphonix controllers can do with PT now, that's more than fine with me.

[Mikkel Nielsen]

Hi there

Anyone got dimensions on these units?

Mikkel

[andsonic]

Just to add:

Euphonix additionally has:

The MC (a very cool editing controller)

The S5 Fusion - (now this is cool) a digital console/controller. You can control multiple DAWs simultaneously with this. Very Cool.

The System 5 MC: needs no introduction. I got a test drive at the SF AES and the functionality was really nice. A very mature feature set.

and yes, the biggy is Eucon

[outcastrising]

I was told by Euphonix that the Dimensions are 17" wide by 9" deep.
I am going to call again to get the height with and without knobs etc.
This thing looks freakin AWESOME!!!!

[WTMNMF]

Originally Posted by outcastrising

I was told by Euphonix that the Dimensions are 17" wide by 9" deep.
I am going to call again to get the height with and without knobs etc.
This thing looks freakin AWESOME!!!!

Rack-mountable! That will make for some interesting configurations.

[Mikkel Nielsen]

Originally Posted by outcastrising

I was told by Euphonix that the Dimensions are 17" wide by 9" deep.
I am going to call again to get the height with and without knobs etc.
This thing looks freakin AWESOME!!!!

Super.
Thanks alot.

Mikkel

[musikwerks]

I have been told that it will be seamlessly integrated into Logic and Sonar (without having to use HUI mode). They will speak directly to the software, with WAY higher resolution than a Mackie Control.

MC mix shipping in Feb, MC control shipping in March.

[SlowCooker]

MC Control is wider than the MC Mix

Depth is obviously the same, as is height, since they can be attached side-by-side.

They both are approximately the same width as a Mac Pro Keyboard more or less. The Control being just wider than, and the Mix being just shorter than.

Rackmount ears could be good. Lets hope they thought of that or at least that they are watching this space.

I wonder if it makes phat-beats yo!!! (ee) I bet it sounds great!!!

(sarcasm in case you didn't get that)

[pixelhead]

I have to say I am very impressed with Euphonix as a company. After posting my rant above I got a phone call from Euphonix this morning to talk about the different options available for my situation. I know it was a sales call but I have to say it was very informative and think they are a top notch company for that. I may be looking at an System 5-MC for the future. It is pricey but not as bad as I thought. The base system is in the D-Command price with a lot more functionality and no marriage to software.

I did get some info on these new units and they sound a bit more intriguing to me even though they do not have everything I need. The are better than my current Mackie situation and a good hold me over till I can scrape up the cash for the System 5-MC.

The dimensions are 20.5"x12"x4" The two units are the same size and they do work with PT. There is no Eucon Fee for Logic this is a Steinberg Tax and all the money you pay goes to them not Euphonix.