Iso Cab

[GrendelSound]

Originally Posted by elambo

That and a novella of overconfident, condescending, negative responses which kept me from buying a product I was otherwise very interested in. And I felt that long before the self-certified comment. I've talked to Jim Demeter and whether or not a particular product of his is superior (and most of his are btw) at least he's a class act which give me instant loyalty. Typically, and especially with smaller companies, you're buying into the company, not just their product.

Okay listen, Jim Demeter obviously kicks my butt in a lot of ways. The guy's been at it since before I was born and he offers a lot of products. However, I don't really think you can just label my company and I "overconfident and condescending" here.

Demeter's website says "WHERE THE TUBE REVOLUTION BEGAN! Since 1980" right on the top. Is that not a little bit of overconfidence right there? Last time I checked tubes have been around for nearly a century before Demeter, and tube guitar amps since the 1930's.

How about the name of his isolation cabinet? "Silent speaker chamber". Let me cut the crap here for you guys and tell you it's not silent. Mine isn't silent, his isn't silent. Thats why I call mine the Dead Room instead of "the silencer". Yeah we're talking about ~30dB of attenuation but not silent. Sorry if any of you take this as me being negative however it's truth.

I have put an intense amount of effort into my product to make it what it is. It's the only thing we're making right now and I believe that shows the dedication to it.

Anyways let me apologize for coming through like a ****** on the internet. If you happen to call in and talk to me on the phone you'll experience a much different tone. I'm still not a "class act", but then again I'm not a grandpa.

Alex Knappenberger
Grendel Sound
330-438-0059

[GrendelSound]

Originally Posted by CrankyRayHanky

anybody try these with a ribbon? Or is that counterproductive for the fig 8 design?

I have a ribbon mic but honestly never tried to put it in one of the cabs. I am always more then satisfied with the sound from a regular SM57.

You can hear the rough mix of my friends metal band I recorded:

http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?id=12979

The Grendel Dead Room was used on this recording for guitars. It may come through a bit thin but thats because I have the guitars cut off really high (something like 200hz) that was just for tracking bass, it will sound a lot better on the final mix =)

[elambo]

Originally Posted by GrendelSound

How about the name of his isolation cabinet? "Silent speaker chamber". Let me cut the crap here for you guys and tell you it's not silent. Mine isn't silent, his isn't silent. Thats why I call mine the Dead Room instead of "the silencer". Yeah we're talking about ~30dB of attenuation but not silent. Sorry if any of you take this as me being negative however it's truth.

This didn't really have much to do with my earlier references of rash responses, but since you mentioned this -- "silent" and "dead" are pretty much synonymous. The inference, and the marketing strategy behind each title, is EXACTLY the same. If one lacks nobility, so does the other. Honestly, who cares about these semantics? Truth in advertising? Good one. Companies who advertise with accuracy don't advertise for long.

Thanks for addressing the questions though. It is always good to see the manufacturers hanging around.

[GrendelSound]

Originally Posted by elambo

This didn't really have much to do with my earlier references of rash responses, but since you mentioned this -- "silent" and "dead" are pretty much synonymous. The inference, and the marketing strategy behind each title, is EXACTLY the same. If one lacks nobility, so does the other. Honestly, who cares about these semantics? Truth in advertising? Good one. Companies who advertise with accuracy don't advertise for long.

Thanks for addressing the questions though. It is always good to see the manufacturers hanging around.

Me replying further to this is definitely a bit of over closing but "Dead" and "Soundproof/silent" aren't the same. In a studio you can have a "dead room" which isn't "soundproof", just acoustically treated. "silent or soundproof" to me implies there is special construction to make it literally silent. In a studio this would mean the room is separated by using staggered stud construction or a room within a room. Isolation cabinet talk, a silent box would mean you built a box within a box, with the inner box suspended like a shock mount. Now I would truthfully call that silent.

[salsabandit]

I bought and sold the Grendel sound deadroom.
I looked on line trying to hear demos and only found the 1 demo from the
company, but there was nothing to compare it to. So here one man's opinion...it's about a 3 out of 10. It took a month to get (2wks more than anticipated). I tried my best to get a useable tone out of it because I really wanted it to work. Bottom line is that it's got a odd "boxy" tone to the cabinet. Maybe all of the other iso cabs are the same way or worse, I only bought the Grendel.(maybe the Hansel is better)
THE TEST: the main riff guitars are the only guitars I ran through the test. They were recorded into protools, direct, no amp, and reamped through a radial x-amp. the "cabinet" sample is a 4x12 marshall w/G12 celestions. The chain was exactly the same for both tests. It's the same performance for all examples. The Chain...Marshall6100 and Chandler TG2 a 57 and 609 for mics (dead nuts in phase). I originally got a vintage 30 to put in the Grendel, but thought it wasn't fair to compare 2 different speakers so I pulled out the exact speaker I mic'd in the cabinet and put it in the dead room. The amp and pre were set exactly the same. I did my best to eq some of the weirdness out of the grendel and make it match the cabinet. I even tried different master volumes to improve the situation, but with no luck. Hope these samples help someone out. What I've learned is that you cannot contain rock in a small box. It is a wild beast with fur, claws and medium sized pointy teeth that could really give you a bad infection and it must be set free!

I've posted mp3's in another thread on gearslutz
Guitar Cab Isolation Booth?

[SkunkWorks]

Yup. That pretty much reinforces what I've been sayin'. Thanks for the clips

[lambro]

for low volume, you are better off going with an LDC mic, at close proximity to a low wattage amp

The LDC will create more "perceived air movement"


Set the amp clean and quiet and unity gain pedals to get your lead or overdrive tones.


feedback is not going to be happening like EJ leaning into one of his plexis, but it is a way to get low volume stuff to tape and have it sound organic and much bigger than when it was recorded.

[Rockett Pedals]

Originally Posted by GrendelSound

Just checking out our statistics and saw we got a few hits from here. Letting you guys know we do exist right here, real people, ready to answer your questions!

Alex Knappenberger
Owner, Grendel Sound

How might we get ahold of you??
Chris

[Ben J]

Originally Posted by Rockett Pedals

How might we get ahold of you??
Chris

good luck with that...

[elambo]

Originally Posted by Ben J

good luck with that...

What do you mean? Are they non-responsive?