new low-cost control surface from euphonix...?

[phil2000]

does anybody know anything about this ?

is this the command 8-killer ?

regards- ph!L

[DrDeltaM]

And where and what exactly did you hear about it?

[planet red]

There needs to be a new control 24 killer. I had one but hated it. A 24 channel controller in the 7k range would be awesome.

[warhead]

Originally Posted by planet red

There needs to be a new control 24 killer. I had one but hated it. A 24 channel controller in the 7k range would be awesome.

Hate to further highjack, but I'd buy it in a second. Give me something with basic control, a monitoring section worth a crap, and built like a tank with 24 faders, rotary knobs and meters and I will be one happy camper.

For now I live pretty nicely with the MCU and 2 extenders.

Carry on.

War

[phil2000]

Originally Posted by DrDeltaM

And where and what exactly did you hear about it?

A friend of mine was in was in Silicon Valley and met an engineer from Sunnyvale, Woody Spooner. According to him Euphonix has developed a new lowcost control surface.

[phil2000]

Originally Posted by planet red

There needs to be a new control 24 killer. I had one but hated it. A 24 channel controller in the 7k range would be awesome.

The source mentioned above also says that it is possible to combine several of these units...

[DrDeltaM]

Originally Posted by phil2000

A friend of mine was in was in Silicon Valley and met an engineer from Sunnyvale, Woody Spooner. According to him Euphonix has developed a new lowcost control surface.

Question is, what does Euphonix mean with low cost? That's very relative. I mean, their MC controller is around $20k already!

[antonbuys]

Anything "better" than a HUI or MCU, but cheaper than a MC or entry level Smart AV Professional? Nope!

If Euphonix is making something AFFORDABLE, count me in! I've been looking for something to upgrade to from my HUI, and there is nothing worthwhile (HUI to MCU? Why?) or affordable (MC/Smart AV = $$$$).

Right now the only interesting thing out there is the Dexter, but I like my faders & knobs, as well...

What's better than a quite evening in the studio, stroking your faders and twisting your knobs?tutt

[noiseflaw]

Originally Posted by DrDeltaM

Question is, what does Euphonix mean with low cost? That's very relative. I mean, their MC controller is around $20k already!

Yes something warns me that Euphonix and Low cost is an oxymoron - sooo I guess we will find out.

I would really be interested in a decent 24 track (and possibility to extend) controller for a reasonable amount....say £2-3K.

But that kind of money might only buy me the boxed packaging from Euphonix!

We will see.

[antonbuys]

Originally Posted by noiseflaw

Yes something warns me the Euphonix and Low cost is an oxymoron - sooo I guess we will find out.

I would really be interested in a decent 24 track (and possibility to extend) controller for a reasonable amount....say £2-3K.

But that kind of money might only buy me the boxed packaging from Euphonix!

We will see.

Nope, only the EUCON protocol to run their controller! Try a search and see what the protocol alone costs!

[DrDeltaM]

Originally Posted by noiseflaw

I would really be interested in a decent 24 track (and possibility to extend) controller for a reasonable amount....say £2-3K.

That's exactly the Mackie Control market, what you ask for is already out there

[phil2000]

Originally Posted by antonbuys

Nope, only the EUCON protocol to run their controller! Try a search and see what the protocol alone costs!

well in my understanding 'low-cost' means less than 5k$...

nobody knows anything more about an upcoming existence of such a unit ??
rumours please...

I would be more then ready to throw my command 8 against the wall... 2 faders dead at the moment, 2 replaced already...

[DrDeltaM]

Originally Posted by phil2000

well in my understanding 'low-cost' means less than 5k$...

nobody knows anything more about an upcoming existence of such a unit ??
rumours please...

I would be more then ready to throw my command 8 against the wall... 2 faders dead at the moment, 2 replaced already...

With less then $5k, you're gonna get a Mackie Control system, or something very similar if a manufacturer decides to build something (Tascam used to have the US-2400).

It's in the market above $5k where something might happen.

[theRog]

Well, something I am still dreaming of:

Sony DMX-R100 without DSP and front end - just as the perfect controller with 24 faders, pots and touch screen for plugins ;-)

Maybe Euphonix is going to surprise us all - who knows!

CU at AES hopefully
Roger

[antonbuys]

Originally Posted by phil2000

well in my understanding 'low-cost' means less than 5k$...

nobody knows anything more about an upcoming existence of such a unit ??
rumours please...

I would be more then ready to throw my command 8 against the wall... 2 faders dead at the moment, 2 replaced already...

I'd have to go with above $5k as well.

As far as rumors are concerned, I'll get one going then based on some fact. Original Euphonix founders Scott and Rob Silfvast assisted Universal Audio with the development of the DCS series - The DCS Preamp that has already been released, and the DCS Monitor Controller, that is still forth-coming. Might this new controller not be another fruit of this union?

[~ufo~]

NO YOU'RE AN OXYMORON !

NO YOU'RE AN OXYMORON ! !

NO YOU'RE AN OXYMORON ! ! !

Originally Posted by noiseflaw

Yes something warns me the Euphonix and Low cost is an oxymoron -

sorry, couldn't resist, carry on...

[laser]

Originally Posted by DrDeltaM

With less then $5k, you're gonna get a Mackie Control system, or something very similar if a manufacturer decides to build something (Tascam used to have the US-2400).

It's in the market above $5k where something might happen.

The problem with the MCU, I've been told, is the latency between when you twist a knob (or slide a fader) and when you get the results. It's not large, but everyone I've talked to says it's noticable. I've also been told that if you're used to an analog desk, you may find this disturbing.

Since you seem to be knowledgable about the MCU, could you be nice enough to confirm or deny what I've heard from several sources?

Eucon and other high end protocols have reduced the latency to where it isn't noticable.


Laser

[DrDeltaM]

Originally Posted by laser

The problem with the MCU, I've been told, is the latency between when you twist a knob (or slide a fader) and when you get the results. It's not large, but everyone I've talked to says it's noticable. I've also been told that if you're used to an analog desk, you may find this disturbing.

Since you seem to be knowledgable about the MCU, could you be nice enough to confirm or deny what I've heard from several sources?

Eucon and other high end protocols have reduced the latency to where it isn't noticable.


Laser

Some would say this is midi-related, tho I'm not 100% convinced of that. It could be protocol related, I don't know what exactly all gets transferred over that midicable in the Mackie Control Protocol.

Somebody with a new Mackie Control maybe can tell us if using it over USB gives an improvement?

[noiseflaw]

Originally Posted by DrDeltaM

...It's in the market above $5k where something might happen.

Well ok, above $5K, let's say around $6k (about £3,000) good English pounds for a decent standalone 24 track controller.

At today's prices I could get around 40 chanels of Mackie for that.

But I would like a stylish, all-in-one 24 fader unit, that from Euphonix for anything below $7k - No way!, that might get me an 8 fader unit - which I already have with the Smackie...

[slaves666]

Tascam had a great unit in the US2400, but what they were missing was a universal EQ section.....and channel text readout......for 1k more, I'm sure they could've included it.....and it would have been a more complete surface. Add monitoring, talkback, headphones.....and It would be KILLER.

[DrDeltaM]

Originally Posted by slaves666

Add monitoring, talkback, headphones.....and It would be KILLER.

Sure, but high quality monitoring section by itself is easily another 1k - 2k...

Features and quality come at a cost...

[laser]

Originally Posted by noiseflaw

Well ok, above $5K, let's say around $6k (about £3,000) good English pounds for a decent standalone 24 track controller.

At today's prices I could get around 40 chanels of Mackie for that.

But I would like a stylish, all-in-one 24 fader unit, that from Euphonix for anything below $7k - No way!, that might get me an 8 fader unit - which I already have with the Smackie...

It's apples and oranges--so why do people continue to compare?

Euphonix understands what professionals want and provide this--at a cost. The MCU is designed and built for the prosumer market.

Can you access VST plug-ins and their parameters with a MCU?
Is the MCU built with the same quality and standards as anything Euphonix?
And, the latency issue of the MCU or similarly priced units?

The Euphonix MC controller is a phenomenol tool for post.

If Euphonix built a lower cost unit version of the MC Controller that still gave me access to VST plug-in parameters, and no noticable latency on the controls, adding 20 faders, I would gladly pay $8-10K.

Much of the development work needed for a lower cost mixing controller has been done with the MC. If they could cut some material costs (without sacrificing too much reliability), drop some of the functionality of the MC, get rid of the touchscreen, add faders to keep the market price at $8k-$10k, they would have a helluva product hitting a sweet spot in the market that has long been overlooked.

IMHO, of course

Laser

[DrDeltaM]

Mackie Control has plugin control, no problem.

As for build quality, yup, the Euphonix is better, tho the new Mackie Controls feel pretty sturdy too.

Latency? Prolly the biggest difference.

[slaves666]

Originally Posted by DrDeltaM

Sure, but high quality monitoring section by itself is easily another 1k - 2k...

Features and quality come at a cost...

I realize this, maybe they could get Frontier to work on one like the Alpha Track, but with control in 4 banks of eight. SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!

[DrDeltaM]

Controllers can be build in tons of ways (I actually have a few 'new' ideas about them myself), and I'm sure we'll see more and more of them in all kinds of sizes over time.

[AnalogBob]

Just was flipping thru the new sweetwater catalog and there it was....a partnership between Euphonix/Sweetwater?? Bunch of knobs faders some screens nice transport job wheel and a place to put your keyboard... Looks pretty Cool..... I wonder how much it is??

[slaves666]

Originally Posted by AnalogBob

Just was flipping thru the new sweetwater catalog and there it was....a partnership between Euphonix/Sweetwater?? Bunch of knobs faders some screens nice transport job wheel and a place to put your keyboard... Looks pretty Cool..... I wonder how much it is??

Post a pic please.....

[AnalogBob]

No scanner.... Cost is 20k or 19 something.. found the listing for it in the catalog..... so much for "low cost" (I suppose that is relative)....but it looks nifty just the same..[...

[phil2000]

Originally Posted by AnalogBob

No scanner.... Cost is 20k or 19 something.. found the listing for it in the catalog..... so much for "low cost" (I suppose that is relative)....but it looks nifty just the same..[...

that must be the MC controller you're talking about, and it existits already for quite a while. nice unit, but out
of my price range.... and that's not what this engineer guy was talking about.
they're supposed to come up with something new- and cheaper...

[DRC]

I cant believe that Yamaha hasn't made a stripped out version of the DM2000 for a Nuendo/Cubase controller yet. It looks like it has ethernet in the back so you can bypass the midi control aspect and get more fader resolution much like the Procontrol/D-command has for PT. I suppose the used digital console market would be even cheaper though. Anyone here using a digital mixer as just a DAW controller?