Bricasti Reverb (breakthrough)

[Ameyerson]

Originally Posted by audiomichael

Hey Alan,

Very nice to have you here. Would you say that the Bricasti is clear like a TC6000? Or more like a Lexicon, but clear?

Different animal than a 6k. I just got it so it's hard to say.
I sourced a vocal track and just listened to the return from the 960 and both Bricastis, one in analog, one in digital. in the direct comparison to the 960.
The biggest difference between the analog and the digital. The analog felt a little "smoother", whatever that means.
(BTW, I'm running Nuendo thru Euphonix Madi to analog and madi to AES convertors on a system 5mc.)
Both felt more "size-y" (whatever that means) than the 960. In the track the tail seemed to last longer, probably due to the massive cpu they use.
It would probably make an awesone AD/DA in bypass mode.
YMMV.

[audiomichael]

Originally Posted by Ameyerson

Different animal than a 6k. I just got it so it's hard to say.
I sourced a vocal track and just listened to the return from the 960 and both Bricastis, one in analog, one in digital. in the direct comparison to the 960.
The biggest difference between the analog and the digital. The analog felt a little "smoother", whatever that means.
(BTW, I'm running Nuendo thru Euphonix Madi to analog and madi to AES convertors on a system 5mc.)
Both felt more "size-y" (whatever that means) than the 960. In the track the tail seemed to last longer, probably due to the massive cpu they use.
It would probably make an awesone AD/DA in bypass mode.
YMMV.

Interesting.
Please report back once you've tried it on orchestra please.

[joris de man]

How about some mp3 examples? Just a dry/50%wet example with a few different examples would be interesting to hear!

Cheers,

Joris

[Ameyerson]

I used my Bricasti on a big string session today. Great group...28 celli , 8 basses, no hi strings, for the new Sony picture "Vantage Point" at Sony Scoring Stage. I work there alot and know the sound of the room really well.
The Bricasti was REALLY great. I'm sticking with the word "size-y", I hardly had to use any to make a big difference.
You know how sometimes with reverb you get it to where it sounds right, go for a pee, and come back and you can't believe how wet it sounds! I hate when that happens.
Well, this might be the cure. It sparkled with very little effort.
I wish I could post files, but that's kind of against the law on a movie that's not out yet.

[Mastering101]

Originally Posted by xj32

I have seen it mentioned that it is great for small spaces, how are its long decay times ? and if not this unit, what is a great verb for big, long (like 20 sec) spaces.

Now before anyone says what do you need that long of a verb for...I am a professional sound designer always on the hunt for awesome "space music" style verbs.

Paul

when I think of space music I see Eventide H8000....Most of the reverbs are dark and cold....Eventide has a sound of it's own...I will get a Bricasti myself to add to the collection soon....

[joris de man]

Originally Posted by Ameyerson

I used my Bricasti on a big string session today. Great group...28 celli , 8 basses, no hi strings, for the new Sony picture "Vantage Point" at Sony Scoring Stage. I work there alot and know the sound of the room really well.
The Bricasti was REALLY great. I'm sticking with the word "size-y", I hardly had to use any to make a big difference.
You know how sometimes with reverb you get it to where it sounds right, go for a pee, and come back and you can't believe how wet it sounds! I hate when that happens.
Well, this might be the cure. It sparkled with very little effort.
I wish I could post files, but that's kind of against the law on a movie that's not out yet.

(*sskiss alert, sorry )
Just wanted to say I really love your mixing work! Stuff like Gladiator, Solaris and Hannibal are some of my favourite scores in terms of sound&mix. Excellent work!
Do you mix exclusively on Nuendo these days?

And a question about the Bricasti in general; how does it compare to TC's 6000 reverb?

Cheers,

Joris

[audiomichael]

Originally Posted by Ameyerson

I'm sticking with the word "size-y", I hardly had to use any to make a big difference.... It sparkled with very little effort.

Ah, I actually had to hear the box to get what you meant. I got a chance to hear it this week. What stuck me was how much less verb I could use, but it still glued the audio better, and seemed to marry itself into the track more naturally.

Originally Posted by joris de man

And a question about the Bricasti in general; how does it compare to TC's 6000 reverb?

I've got the TC 4000 (single engine 6000). It took me about 3 seconds to hear that the Briscasti was on another level. It was on a 2.2 second hall, so technically maybe it only took me .8 seconds to decide .

I found that one the TC, it sounded great, then switch to M7 and all of the reverb washiness, and artificiallness disapeared, then back to the TC it sounded really fake, and wet.

Then I put it against a Lexicon PCM91, again the PCM is a great sounded box, then when I put up the M7, the tail feels more alive, and there is a new depth and texture in the sound of the hall that makes everything feel more real and alive to me. Tonality-wise it was closer to a Lexicon sound than a TC sound, but as you flip though patches, it does have it's own character.

I mainly use outboard verb for orchestra, so I was really focusing on the "large hall" patches, but I did try out the "delayed plate" which sounded AWESOME on vocals, the "studio" presets were fantastic rooms, and there was an "A&M Chamber" that was pretty kick-ass too.

Well, put it this way, I liked everything that came from the M7 better than my TC4000 and my partners PMC91. Not everything was a clear-cut destructo hands-down winner, it was for all of my go-to patches. What I really liked too was that for the way I work, it fit right in as though I've used it for years. I called up a patch, dailed in the amount, and it sat perfectly. I didn't have to go back and forth, "maybe a db more, no that's too wet, maybe it's not the right patch?" etc. It's gooooood.

[Silver Sonya]

Originally Posted by audiomichael

It's gooooood.

Very exciting and I agree.

I didn't expect to get excited about a hardware reverb ever again, but when I heard it I got all of these kid-in-a-candy-store irrational "I want it!!! I don't care whether it makes sense or not!!" feelings.

We are building a new modestly appointed production-oriented control room (very small upgrade budget: $80k) and now I'm trying to justify putting the Bricasti on the shopping list... $80k is not an extravagant number to outfit a control room, when you consider all of the expenses that go into it. So spending a LOT of dough on a hardware reverb is... maybe not so responsible.

So, yeah, strictly with respect to fiscal responsibility and utility, it's hard to justify the expense in the age of Altiverb, etc. [There are some Altiverb patches that I think are mindblowing.] But still, I think it would make me happy to come to work every day and have the Bricasti as a tool.

- c

[audiomichael]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

I'm trying to justify putting the Bricasti on the shopping list...

Hey Silver, do you have ANY hardware verbs right now?

[Silver Sonya]

Originally Posted by audiomichael

Hey Silver, do you have ANY hardware verbs right now?

Never owned a high-end hardware reverb/fx. No Eventide or Lexicon or TC high-end stuff for me.

As many people know here, I am probably best known in this neck of the woods for my work as a mastering engineer. So, obviously, very little need for reverberation there.

In my creative production work (the secret life I don't advertise --- only select projects), I really don't use a lot of artificial reverberation, and when I do, Altiverb and the UAD Plate 140 usually answer my needs. That and some Soundtoys delays (I often prefer a dark, short delay to a reverb... this is my Tchad Blake influence coming out...)... these things address my needs, generally.

All that being said, I fllipped for the Bricasti and I want one bad. I got all sorts of ideas about ways to use it... it's just so... vivid! One listen gets you psyched.

- c

[lucey]

Originally Posted by Ameyerson

The Bricasti was REALLY great. I'm sticking with the word "size-y", I hardly had to use any to make a big difference.

Sounds great ...

[mostlykeys]

Originally Posted by Mind-Over-Midi

Hi;

Could someone please check and see if the Bricasti folks are showing at AES, if so could you please report your findings to us?

Thanks,

Bill.

I saw an heard the Bricasti at NAMM this year. I loved it! I am just waiting for some to be available - they basically sold out. I got to meet the designer and was impressed with how much attention he put into designing this thing. It really shows as this processor sounds incredible. Lots of depth and dimension. It's definitely worth every penny. I have owned a PCM91, PCM70, Eventide H 3000 series, TC M series,etc... This one is definitely worth getting and keeping however! IMHO

[GYang]

Bricasti M7 - Woohoooo!

[Ameyerson]

I have added 2 more Bricastis to my rig, and I ordered 3 more.
It's REALLY that good.

[elambo]

Originally Posted by Ameyerson

I have added 2 more Bricastis to my rig, and I ordered 3 more.
It's REALLY that good.

So you will soon have 5 or 6? Good God... Does that mean your 6000 will start collecting dust?

[lucey]

Originally Posted by Ameyerson

I have added 2 more Bricastis to my rig, and I ordered 3 more.
It's REALLY that good.

We've mixed with ours and the mix just dies without it.

[Rob King]

Originally Posted by lucey

We've mixed with ours and the mix just dies without it.

I agree, I have had mine since they were first released and it still puts a smile on my face. Hands down a must have on Strings and vocals. The box sounds absolutely beautiful. I am looking to get a second one soon as well.

[Adebar]

Originally Posted by Ameyerson

I have added 2 more Bricastis to my rig, and I ordered 3 more.
It's REALLY that good.

Try the newest Yardstick. The new software from march 11th is very impressive.
And you have 6 outputs with the 2496 - 1 Yardstick for 3 Bricasti?

[Mastering101]

My Bricasti should be in next week....anyone get the pcm 96 yet? I wonder if they are shipping

[elambo]

Originally Posted by Adebar

Try the newest Yardstick. The new software from march 11th is very impressive.
And you have 6 outputs with the 2496 - 1 Yardstick for 3 Bricasti?

2496 is only one stereo input, no?

[Warp69]

Thats correct - 2 inputs and 6 outputs. The 2498 version has 8 inputs and 8 outputs.

[elambo]

Originally Posted by Warp69

Thats correct - 2 inputs and 6 outputs. The 2498 version has 8 inputs and 8 outputs.

Then that doesn't make it the equivalent of 3 Bricastis as the other guy said. The 2498 is pretty expensive if I remember right.

[everyday]

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