"vintage" style sampler VST

[wakestyle]

hey!

is this sampler supporting importing of other sample formats?

thanks

[dj! (112dB)]

If I understand your question correctly: at the moment, no. Morgana does support a wide range of file formats (Wav, AIFF, SD2, REX, WavPack, and a couple less common others) but currently it doesn't import programs from other samplers. We did discuss this but weren't sure how much interest in such a feature there would be, and it's quite a lot of work to figure out and implement. So... it's still on our list of "potential features to add" but not currently a work in progress.

But if you feel direct import of other sample formats is important, *do* let us know. We like to listen to our (potential) customers and are always open to suggestions.

Take care,

-- dj!

[cl516]

hi dj!

what's the latest status regarding the bugs importing AIFF's?

haven't fired up the demo again yet, so no crash report for you.

looking forward to picking it up though.

[dj! (112dB)]

Importing AIFF and SD2 shd work fine in 1.2.1. The one serious bug left is that on some PowerPC/10.4.11 setups Morgana/AU doesn't show up at all--but I just fixed something there and sent a tentative 1.2.2 build to a user suffering from that. Currently waiting to hear back from him.

-- dj!


And edit: just received word that that bug is history in 1.2.2!

[Reptil]

cool thanks guys!

oops you might want to fix the download link:
logic 7 mac os 10.4 PPC

edit: download in Safari doesn't work, Firefox works just fine.

[dj! (112dB)]

Originally Posted by Reptil

oops you might want to fix the download link:
logic 7 mac os 10.4 PPC

Most likely that was a caching issue, the link is working fine for me in Safari now. If anybody can still reproduce that problem please let me know though!

-- dj!

[Alxi]

Downloading the demo as we speak... looks very interesting

-Alxi-

[phoketztight]

looks like it would be cool if it imported other formats akai for one

[raoulmusic]

A sampler that actually samples :D
Right on the money !!

Edit: It KEEPS asking for drag´n´drop of the (demo) license file.
I get the repeated pattern of having to "restart" morgana after "thanks of registrering".
I remove morgana , insert it again - and get "Please install license" over and over again.


:-(

EDIT EDIT : restarted logic. Got it working now.

[dj! (112dB)]

Originally Posted by raoulmusic

Edit: It KEEPS asking for drag´n´drop of the (demo) license file.
I get the repeated pattern of having to "restart" morgana after "thanks of registrering".
I remove morgana , insert it again - and get "Please install license" over and over again.

Yeah, sorry about that. I'm going to change that text to "restart your host app" because some hosts--like Logic, as you found out the hard way--cache certain plugin settings that make Morgana not see the license until next time around.

@phoketztight: I'm working on Akai import as we speak, it will be in place in a not-too-distant-future update.

Take care,

-- dj!

[raoulmusic]

Originally Posted by dj!

Yeah, sorry about that. I'm going to change that text to "restart your host app" because some hosts--like Logic, as you found out the hard way--cache certain plugin settings that make Morgana not see the license until next time around.

@phoketztight: I'm working on Akai import as we speak, it will be in place in a not-too-distant-future update.

Take care,

-- dj!

This beast _IS_ very gritty indeed ! haha omg.
I really dig the samplink option - this technology needs to be implemented
into other (less gritty....) samplers IMO.
Just fantastic !

[dj! (112dB)]

Originally Posted by raoulmusic

I really dig the samplink option - this technology needs to be implemented into other (less gritty....) samplers IMO.
Just fantastic !

Thanks!

And BTW: my crystal ball tells me that SampLink will be implemented into more hifi samplers... more details in due time!

-- dj!

[H-Rezz]

Amazing, love it ! It'll buy close to the expiry date of the demo .....

My only concern is the CPU hit on my 2.66 dual Mac Pro , hopefully later updates can address this , other than that i have my Ensonsiq EPS back

[dj! (112dB)]

Hey H-Rezz,

thanks for your praise! Always good to hear that others enjoy Morgana as much as I still do.

Originally Posted by H-Rezz

My only concern is the CPU hit on my 2.66 dual Mac Pro , hopefully later updates can address this , other than that i have my Ensonsiq EPS back

On my Mac Mini C2D 1.66 I get approximately 20~25% CPU usage for 8 voices/16 oscillators playing together. If the CPU usage on your setup is worse than that there has to be something wrong somewhere, so please contact me at our forum (112dB :: Vintage Virtual Instruments) and I'll troubleshoot.

Peace,

-- dj!

[SWAN808]

mmm maybe this will make me re-consider the s950 I have my eye on...

edit. samples sound gritty but in a digital way. also would be easier to have a before/after comparison?

Also - are there and pitch to envelope / lfo functions?

[wakestyle]

DJ! You should DEFINANTLY implement sampling import! AkAi's and rolands and kurzweil would be the ultimate present, but say for the very least, Soundfont's, at least to start. That way we can at least use our own converting software to convert from our various formats.

Cus that's what we all want to do.

Load up our old sample discs that are collecting dust!

But of course we want to 'sample' our own material, and in realtime too.

thumbsupthumbsup

[dj! (112dB)]

Originally Posted by SWAN808

samples sound gritty but in a digital way. also would be easier to have a before/after comparison?

Well... Morgana emulates a digital sampler, so obviously it would sound somewhat digital? But if you play around with the preamp and filter section I'm sure you'll find lots of analog sounding goodness there as well.

I'm not sure I understand the before/after comparison thingy?

Also - are there and pitch to envelope / lfo functions?

There's velocity to Attack/Peak/Sustain/Release and pitch to Decay, for both the VCA and VCF envelopes--Morgana's main philosophy is one of immediacy, and we figured these are the most useful routings. As for LFO functions Morgana has LFO to VCA/VCF/Pitch with independent depth. And almost everything can be controlled from MIDI through a very immediate--there's that word again --MIDI learn function.

Take care,

-- dj!

[dj! (112dB)]

Originally Posted by wakestyle

DJ! You should DEFINANTLY implement sampling import! AkAi's and rolands and kurzweil would be the ultimate present, but say for the very least, Soundfont's, at least to start. That way we can at least use our own converting software to convert from our various formats.

Thanks for the feedback! As it happens Akai import is already underway--I have the basic functionality down so it'll be added in a not-too-distant-future update. As for Roland and Kurzweil, I need to check what's documented and how difficult it's going to be. But it's definitely something I'd like to add.

Take care,

-- dj!

[SWAN808]

Comparison-wise I mean sequence a beat with a totally clean sampler - then use Morgana

[dj! (112dB)]

Originally Posted by SWAN808

Comparison-wise I mean sequence a beat with a totally clean sampler - then use Morgana

I don't have anything handy right now, but one of our early beta testers put such a comparison on his blog:

SIGHUPblog » Blog Archive » This is why you're going to want Morgana

Peace,

-- dj!

[SWAN808]

Originally Posted by dj!

I don't have anything handy right now, but one of our early beta testers put such a comparison on his blog:

SIGHUPblog » Blog Archive » This is why you're going to want Morgana

Peace,

-- dj!

Yeah well that guy goes way OTT with it and puts me off....I just want something to dirty up the drums a little...

no worries I'll test it myself. Thanks for the feedback

[dlmorley]

Originally Posted by Dave Peck

I've heard of early samplers being described a lot of ways, but 'warm and punchy sure isn't one of them. The low bit depths, low sample rates, static and lifeless single-cycle samples, and crappy D/A converters made them sound thin and cheap. You had to work pretty hard to get a big sound out of them, except for a couple of models that had analog filters.

This product may sound great, as long as it doesn't really sound like an early sampler. Just my opinion about early samplers, not about this product.

DP

Hi Dave!
Hey! You forgot FAIRLIGHT!
Sorry but I have to pull you up on this one. I just sorted my IIx and it sounds AMAZING. It has a low end that is not just deep but round and nice...
Superb
I agree on the later cheaper generations that came in, but I'd say the first samplers ruled and still do in some respects..

[dj! (112dB)]

Originally Posted by SWAN808

Yeah well that guy goes way OTT with it and puts me off....I just want something to dirty up the drums a little...

Yeah, subtle is not the first word that springs to mind there. Let me know your opinion after testing it yourself, feedback is always more than appreciated!

Take care,

-- dj!

[SWAN808]

Originally Posted by dj!

Yeah, subtle is not the first word that springs to mind there. Let me know your opinion after testing it yourself, feedback is always more than appreciated!

Take care,

-- dj!

Hi dj

Im just testing it right now.

I really like the functionality
Just the right amount of editing at a top level

However....I just find it too dirty! Im quite surprised even at its lowest setting it is VERY muddy-and I thought this would be adjustable-however as far as I can tell Im on the cleanest possible setting and its just too gritty for me. I didnt think that would be the case...I was primarily hoping to use it with drums to give them some grit. But for me there is too much grit. Maybe if this was controllable - I would be up for purchasing. It may be due to the fact that its close to the original Mirage - that was very gritty itself...

Perhaps you may be writing an AKAI S950/MPC or another 12 bit sampler with slightly better clarity?

[wakestyle]

another suggestion, you know a simple drum pattern machine would be handy to ala guru or fruityloops.

[wakestyle]

btw I like the sample browser on this one!

...but I couldn't browse to my own wav files with the browser.

Search function would be dope too

thanks

[dj! (112dB)]

Originally Posted by SWAN808

I really like the functionality
Just the right amount of editing at a top level

Thanks! While the interface looks deceptively simple we did spend a lot of time tweaking everything to be as immediate as possible without adding any unnecessary bells and whistles--so that's a great compliment there!

However....I just find it too dirty!

Well, I can't say that surprises me. Morgana is really REALLY dirty, mostly because (as you already mention) of the sampler it was modelled after. However...:

Perhaps you may be writing an AKAI S950/MPC or another 12 bit sampler with slightly better clarity?

I won't give away too much here but indeed I may already be writing something along those lines. Definitely similar in approach to Morgana, but also less gritty/dirty/extreme and more suitable for general use. Hopefully around Q4 2008.

Take care,

-- dj!

[dj! (112dB)]

Originally Posted by wakestyle

btw I like the sample browser on this one!
...but I couldn't browse to my own wav files with the browser.

Oh, but that is possible! Simply right click on the open sample browser and select "Add new folder...", select a folder, and it shd from now on show up in the browser at the top level.

Search function would be dope too

That's something I will definitely add in some future update. Morgana is still in its childhood and will continue to grow, especially in terms of usability. In fact Morgana is still being developed further, and in fact I teamed up with four major league hiphop producers to provide feedback and endorsements for version 2--I can guarantee you won't be disappointed!

another suggestion, you know a simple drum pattern machine would be handy to ala guru or fruityloops.

To be honest this is probably not something that I will add to Morgana--since it's not intended as a drum sampler per se--but one of my plugins-in-progress will feature a built-in drum machine.

Thanks for the feedback!

-- dj!

[SWAN808]

Originally Posted by dj!

Thanks for the feedback!

-- dj!

Thanks for the response - I think this is a winning idea - character samplers. If you are working on an MPC plugin as I suspect you are - I think well executed it could be a very big thing - as there must be a massive market of Hip Hop producers in the US who would be interested and bedroom producers who want the old MPC60/S950 vibe within a DAW. Its a great idea-a wonder why no-ones done it before really...

Please do get it done asap!

[yeloocproducer]

This thing is bananas. Amazing. I have an SP1200, and used to have an ASR-10... it gives me that kind of sound right away. Even bit reduction plugs don't do what this does. It's really going to make it easier to vibe out tracks in the computer. If you guys do an SP1200 that would def. be amazing.

One thing though... something is weird with PT integration on a mac through the VST wrapper. My mouse doesn't click where it should, and there are GUI anomalies.

Looking forward to a full RTAS port and sample library import. This is inspiring the way a good instrument inspires.