So protools 11 is here, so what do you think?
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So protools 11 is here, so what do you think?

Please post you thoughts and observations.

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It looks great! Won't know what it sounds like until more plugins are available...
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It looks great! Won't know what it sounds like until more plugins are available...
It's not going to sound like anything. No different than PT9 or 10. Nothing has changed.
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Drew

Really disappointed to read your post on the DUC that there's only a 20 to 30% increase in CPU efficiency. That's still way behind Logic and means I won't be going native with PT any time soon. I was expecting more of a total rewrite with supposedly a far more efficient plug-in format.

I suppose that's one way Avid is going to sell HDX cards.... don't make the native performance too good.

Hopefully they can optimise the code over time but underwhelmed sums up my initial reaction.
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I was being conservative on purpose so as to not set the expectations too high. You might find that it's more.

And if not I'm sure you'll enjoy using Logic. Whatever makes you happy.
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Drew

Really disappointed to read your post on the DUC that there's only a 20 to 30% increase in CPU efficiency. That's still way behind Logic and means I won't be going native with PT any time soon. I was expecting more of a total rewrite with supposedly a far more efficient plug-in format.

I suppose that's one way Avid is going to sell HDX cards.... don't make the native performance too good.

Hopefully they can optimise the code over time but underwhelmed sums up my initial reaction.
But avid claim in their new video that its the most powerful daw in the world for native processing.
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@Drew
Up until a couple of years ago I had been using Logic Audio since version 2.5 in 1996. I prefer Pro Tools but not natively. I was hoping PT11 would change that. AFAIC, Avid need to raise their game considerably rather than I lower my expectations of what a modern DAW is capable of.

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Avid is going to have to do some comprehensive like for like testing if it is going to substantiate that claim!!! I hope it does.
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So far I never had any big problem with Native systems. The only two concerns I had was:

- 64 bits, that was a huge problems for VIs in my case. Which is solved now.

- 96 Tracks, that could be solved previously with the CTPK. Which is now discontinued and a real pain in the butt because it's clearly a deliberate restriction from Avid to force us to upgrade all our native stations to HD.

That's one of things that doesn'take me wish to
Upgrade immediately.

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Drew

Really disappointed to read your post on the DUC that there's only a 20 to 30% increase in CPU efficiency. That's still way behind Logic and means I won't be going native with PT any time soon. I was expecting more of a total rewrite with supposedly a far more efficient plug-in format.

I suppose that's one way Avid is going to sell HDX cards.... don't make the native performance too good.

Hopefully they can optimise the code over time but underwhelmed sums up my initial reaction.
Wait till you use it, It might be 30% increase in raw numbers, but the hybrid buffer and dynamic plugins defiantly work. VI performance is through the roof.

I took the demo session and duplicated the entire thing 4 times to 200 tracks, then imported a VEP template and added 16 heavy VI's (ses drums, giant, sess brass strings etc, & 8 omni on multi patches). I'm able to arm all 16 of those tracks, hit the sustain pedal and go to town, recording all with the 64 sample buffer set. Each Kontakt instance is hitting 256 voices with the pedal down. Buffer set to 64, no glitches.

It looks like performance without VEP is even better, from what I can test right now with FF tiwn.
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Why, oh why, is my damn Mac pro not supported.... Dammit.

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I lower my expectations of what a modern DAW is capable of.

I think you need to choose the tools that allow you to do what you need to do and set about making music. The rest is just noise.
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Why, oh why, is my damn Mac pro not supported.... Dammit.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337
What you got?

Mac Pro 3,1s work just fine as do the blue and silver boxes.
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Wait till you use it, It might be 30% increase in raw numbers, but the hybrid buffer and dynamic plugins defiantly work. VI performance is through the roof.

I took the demo session and duplicated the entire thing 4 times to 200 tracks, then imported a VEP template and added 16 heavy VI's (ses drums, giant, sess brass strings etc, & 8 omni on multi patches). I'm able to arm all 16 of those tracks, hit the sustain pedal and go to town, recording all with the 64 sample buffer set. Each Kontakt instance is hitting 256 voices with the pedal down. Buffer set to 64, no glitches.

It looks like performance without VEP is even better, from what I can test right now with FF tiwn.
good to see this
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@Drew
Up until a couple of years ago I had been using Logic Audio since version 2.5 in 1996. I prefer Pro Tools but not natively. I was hoping PT11 would change that. AFAIC, Avid need to raise their game considerably rather than I lower my expectations of what a modern DAW is capable of.

@TNM
Avid is going to have to do some comprehensive like for like testing if it is going to substantiate that claim!!! I hope it does.
It's as efficient as Logic, you might want to try it out before bashing.

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it's a shame Automatic delay compensation for side-chains is Pro Tools|HDX systems only - i was really looking forward to that!
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From what I can see pt11 software only includes offline bounce and the new disk cache but not surround. Is that correct?
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Offline bouncing: Samplitude 1995
Automatic delay compensation: Samplitude 1999
Dynamic plugin allocation: Samplitude 1996
AAX: Allows users to rebuy everything again, furthering the locking on its clients
AAX: forces plugin dev to rewrite in a rigid structure that reduces platform possibilities compared to RTAS

Way to go Avid, more expensive for less innovation, introduce in 2013 what others have had for over 15 years.

If you do post prod take a look at Yamaha Nuage, I am sure it's not perfect at least it seems like fun
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So the ilok site is crashed. No install tonight. Servers are down.

Another reason for Avid to abandon Ilok.
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ilok down ,can't even fire PT10 as of now as it crashed in the middle of my upgrade
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Can you turn delay comp on&off? Apparently, we dont need to select the amount anymore...?
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Offline bouncing: Samplitude 1995
Automatic delay compensation: Samplitude 1999
Dynamic plugin allocation: Samplitude 1996
AAX: Allows users to rebuy everything again, furthering the locking on its clients
AAX: forces plugin dev to rewrite in a rigid structure that reduces platform possibilities compared to RTAS

Way to go Avid, more expensive for less innovation, introduce in 2013 what others have had for over 15 years.

If you do post prod take a look at Yamaha Nuage, I am sure it's not perfect at least it seems like fun
But PT users have no desire to use Samplitude, or Cubase, or Dave's Great New DAW.... don't you get that? It doesn't matter if they serve coffee. We chose PT because that is our DAW of choice and any new features are always welcome.
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New ilok manager working fine here after install of PT 10.3.6. Now just waiting for the CPTK to HD11 upgrade to show up.
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But PT users have no desire to use Samplitude, or Cubase, or Dave's Great New DAW.... don't you get that? It doesn't matter if they serve coffee. We chose PT because that is our DAW of choice and any new features are always welcome.
Preach it!!! I also own Ableton cuz I like making music with it but for whatever reason I just love Pro Tools
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But PT users have no desire to use Samplitude, or Cubase, or Dave's Great New DAW
That is perfectly fine, have you read the title of the thread?
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anyone have it working with blue interfaces? still got a pair of 96 i/o's for phones with my system
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Yes, but did you understand the point? It doesn't matter what others have to PT users. Zero relevance.
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Offline bouncing: Samplitude 1995
Automatic delay compensation: Samplitude 1999
I love Samplitude but Digidesign invented offline bouncing and automatic delay compensation not to mention little things like plug-ins and the ability to record audio in real time on an ordinary personal computer hard drive.
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v10.3.5 has been updated to v10.3.6 which will allow you to have v10 and v11 installed on the same system.

New MBox and FastTrack drivers up as well for those that need.

What's the deal with the the plugin and instrument updates. New version available for Mac and Windows? Or just Mac is ready?
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I'm trying not to get too excited without seeing more 3rd party PIs, but from what I've been able to do so far it rocks.

It's gonna be tough to go back to 10 after messing with this.
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hmmm. iLok.commmmmmmmm.... Boo!
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