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Old 21st May 2012   #1
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Lightbulb New PC build for PCI PTHD system - success!

Alrighty,

In case anyone is interested in building a new PC for their aging PCI PTHD system, to squeeze another few years out of it, I can announce that my new build has been successful.

I wanted to do an Intel Sandybridge build to get the most out of the system, but as many of you may know, most of the chipsets available (P67, H67, Z68, etc.) do NOT have native PCI. Instead they use 3rd party PCI-PCIe bridges, which the PTHD cards do NOT like at all.

So, I did my homework and discovered that the Intel C202, C204 and C206 chipsets for the Xeon range of Sandybridge CPUs do in fact have a native PCI implementation, and as such should play nice with the PCI PTHD cards, in theory.

My system includes PT HD2 and three PCIe UAD-1e cards, so my needs in terms of the PCI/PCIe slot configuration of the motherboard are quite specific. I finally found a mobo with exactly the configuration I need, based on the C202 chipset. So, I bought the parts and rolled the dice.

Some of you may have seen my other thread about my TDM Core Card frying in the new system a couple of weeks ago. I am delighted to report that this was not caused by a faulty motherboard. I can't say for certain what caused it, but I have rebuilt the new system with a new high-spec PSU and a replacement PCI Core Card and she is running very well indeed with the very same motherboard, even with the burnt plastic on the PCI slot.

To play it safe, I cut off the superfluous PCI-X pins from my two TDM cards with an electric dremel, in case their contacting something on the motherboard had caused the first Core Card to fry.

The difference in power compared to my old system is HUGE. My previous system was about 4 years old, based on a Core2Quad Q9450 CPU with 4GB of RAM. The new CPU is a Xeon E3-1270, which is basically the same as an i7-2600, but without the GPU of the i7 and with the extra server-related Xeon features, which I won't use, besides for ECC RAM support, which I am using.

Playing back a big mix that I had done recently, which was completely maxing out the old system to the point of instability and related headaches, on the new system the CPU meter in PT is hovering around 20-25% with very occassional spikes up to 40-50%. This is with 4 out of 8 CPUs (threads) allocated to PT in the Playback Engine settings. I think that the three UAD-1e cards are largely responsible for the CPU spikes and hope that this would be reduced or entirely eliminated by either replacing them with a UAD-2 or simply removing them and kicking the UAD habit altogether.

So, the moral of the story is that YES! You can build a current generation Intel Sandybridge computer for your PCI PTHD system! Go with a Xeon CPU and you will have a FAR greater choice of motherboards because the native PCI implementation of the C202, C204 and C206 chipsets works just fine with PTHD systems.

The parts in my system are:

CPU - Xeon E3-1270

Motherboard - ASUS P8B-X

RAM - 4 x Kingston 4GB KVR1333D3E9S/4G (16GB in total)

PSU - Seasonic Platinum 1000

I hope that this post will be of some use to someone.
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Thanks a lot for your post.

I am in the middle of putting together a new build, and do not want to change my PCI based EMu-1820m interface.

I've been researching my options in terms of mobo/chipset, and this non-native PCI issue is driving me nuts! I read different "facts" or experiences concerning native PCI support for chipsets for I7 Cpu's, and maybe Xeon / CXXX is the way to go.

My last build was in 2005 and i feel overwhelmed.

Then again simplest would be to replace my interface, but if i can come up with a new build to satisfy my PCI needs and have the option to upgrade interface in the future, that would be great.
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Xeon + C20X is the way to got for PCI audio interfaces and Sandybridge builds. The E3-1270 is the best bang for the buck Xeon CPU right now, the same as the i7-2600(K), but you can't overclock them. Good luck!
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UPDATE!

Alrighty,

So, not so plain sailing after all! I began having serious issues when mixing a few tracks for a client in the last few days. During playback I was getting a lot of glitches in the audio; clicks, pops and various other random infuriating bullshit. It was getting pretty embarrassing and I was getting very angry at the infernal machine.

Initially I was quite convinced that it was to do with the video card, an ATI FirePro 2450 running three LCD displays. This was because the audio glitches were made worse by having several plugins on screen and by tweaking parameters. SoundToys plugins caused the most problems. Perhaps the video card wasn't quite compatible with the new motherboard, the new version of PT didn't like the drivers, or somesuch. Having a spare NVidia Quadro NVS 440 on hand, I was going to switch it after (hopefully) getting through the final day of mixing.

Then I opened Windows Resource Monitor to see if I could get any more leads on the specifics of the problem and lo and behold, the OS had parked 4 out of 8 CPUs (Threads). Well well, what a revelation! Remembering reading several threads about this before, I went Googling and found THIS auld beauty.

When i edited the necessary Registry Keys as outline in that thread, voila! SORTED. No more issues whatsoever, PT is running like Usain Bolt. The amount of power on tap is just ridiculous. HAPPY DAYS.

Moral of the story? If you're having issues with your DAW on a new Intel machine, check Resource Monitor for parked Cores and if you have any, DISABLE THAT SHIT in the Registry.
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I am now running with 6 out of 8 available Cores (Threads) allocated to ProTools (RTAS/Native) without problems.

This means that I have left one full physical CPU Core (two Threads / Cores in PT) for the OS, etc.

I say again, she is solid as a rock and there is power for days and days.
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I am in the same boat. Definitely think I need a halfway house before stepping up to HDX. So building a HD PCI box is interesting to me.

Do you think it is worth finding a mobo with 2x PCI-E and 2x PCI slots on so the HDX can replace the HD at the appropriate time without the hassle of building another system?

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Yes, indeed it is. That is exactly what I have done. The mobo that I am using has 2 x PCI and 4 x PCI-Express.

Currently I have a graphics card in the x16 slot and 3 x UAD-1e cards in the other 3 PCI-E slots.

I am weaning myself off the UAD plugins as I don't want to spend more money on a proprietary DSP plugin platform. Native alternatives to the UAD plugins have caught up, in my opinion. It was a great platform back when I bought the 3 UAD-1e cards, but I don't believe that it is worth it now.

Anyway, I'm going to replace one or two of the UAD-1e cards with either the HD Native card or an RME HDSPe AES card, allowing me to switch between the TDM and Native engines; TDM for live multitracking and Native for mixing and overdubs, all in the same machine, using the same converters, switching with a click of the mouse.

The best of both worlds? I think so, and I'll get at least another 3 years out of this system, by which time the future of Avid, ProTools and HDX / Native will have all come out in the wash. I don't think it wise to invest in HDX just yet.
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Today I have taken the plunge and ordered a Jetway Q67 board, i7 2600 chip to follow (discussing on a different thread).

I am keen to get this thing built and see how it runs. I have no investment in UAD so that's not an issue for me. I'll just be pleased to have my instrument plugins working in parallel without latency issues!!

Still hunting for the right case. Ideas weclomed.
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Not sure if you're following the other thread, but I have built it and it seems OK. 8.1.1drivers are a no go, so have installed PT8.1.1 with v10 drivers.

But seem to have lost ASIO along the road. I have a lot of Sony software that would benefit from ASIO drivers on the PT system (save me a repatch when I switch DAWs).

Any idea how to get ASIO working?
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