Looks like we can forget about waves for a minute.....

[rashadrm@hotmai]

Forget Waves for a bit:
NAMM 2012: Waves Respond To AAX Concerns - YouTube

This next interview is the real eye opener:
NAMM 2012 Russ Talks AAX Plug-ins With Avid - YouTube

11:45 seconds into the interview
I felt kinda bad for Tony having to sit there and try to explain the mess Avid has made with this release and why we should care about HDX before sometime in 2013.


The Sonnox developer says they have been working with Avid for the last two years on aax and still dont expect to release the first plugins till about autumn, and even then they will space out the offerings around every two months or so. WOW:o

Avid should give some kind of discount or rebate to the early adopters.

I'ts all crystal clear now,
you can look for me in HDX land sometime in 2013
I'm really lovin my TDM & native PT10 combo right about now :D
Ok back to work.
See you guys next year.......

[Neil Pickles]

Originally Posted by rashadrm@hotmai

Forget Waves for a bit:
NAMM 2012: Waves Respond To AAX Concerns - YouTube

This next interview is the real eye opener:
NAMM 2012 Russ Talks AAX Plug-ins With Avid - YouTube

11:45 seconds into the interview
I felt kinda bad for Tony having to sit there and try to explain the mess Avid has made with this release and why we should care about HDX before sometime in 2013.


The Sonnox developer says they have been working with Avid for the last two years on aax and still dont expect to release the first plugins till about autumn, and even then they will space out the offerings around every two months or so. WOW:o

Avid should give some kind of discount or rebate to the early adopters.

I'ts all crystal clear now,
you can look for me in HDX land sometime in 2013
I'm really lovin my TDM & native PT10 combo right about now :D
Ok back to work.
See you guys next year.......

It's all about perception isn't it ?

I read that as we're beta testing the first couple now, then we'll roll one out every month or two from then, entire product line should be ready by end of 2012 and we're very excited about the platform as we can go places creatively with plug in design we couldn't before. He also seemed to be making the point that they reckon they will be able to get the MP3 plug in on to it, it wouldn't be easy but it was doable.

Colin also made some very positive noises.

From my perspective I thought it was great news to have 2 leading developers basically saying how great it was and just how much support AVID have given them.

I guess we all hear what we want to hear. I just ordered mine (HDX) and watching this clip actually made me feel very positive about what I just did, downloaded softube AAX last night.

It's interesting as I've been a bit stuck in my ways mix wise on my TDM, maye there's some plug ins I should be checking out like Softube.

Sometimes it's good to exit your comfort zone. You might just find some better tools.

[C.Lambrechts]

Originally Posted by Neil Pickles

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From my perspective I thought it was great news to have 2 leading developers basically saying how great it was and just how much support AVID have given them.

I guess we all hear what we want to hear. I just ordered mine (HDX) and watching this clip actually made me feel very positive about what I just did, downloaded softube AAX last night.

It's interesting as I've been a bit stuck in my ways mix wise on my TDM, maye there's some plug ins I should be checking out like Softube.

Sometimes it's good to exit your comfort zone. You might just find some better tools.

oh and a definite on te softube stuff.

Chris

[rashadrm@hotmai]

Originally Posted by Neil Pickles

It's all about perception isn't it ?

I read that as we're beta testing the first couple now, then we'll roll one out every month or two from then, entire product line should be ready by end of 2012 and we're very excited about the platform as we can go places creatively with plug in design we couldn't before. He also seemed to be making the point that they reckon they will be able to get the MP3 plug in on to it, it wouldn't be easy but it was doable.

Colin also made some very positive noises.

From my perspective I thought it was great news to have 2 leading developers basically saying how great it was and just how much support AVID have given them.

I guess we all hear what we want to hear. I just ordered mine (HDX) and watching this clip actually made me feel very positive about what I just did, downloaded softube AAX last night.

It's interesting as I've been a bit stuck in my ways mix wise on my TDM, maye there's some plug ins I should be checking out like Softube.

Sometimes it's good to exit your comfort zone. You might just find some better tools.

Hey Neil,
I hear you and I get your point.
Maybe I'm just a little disappointed these days and letting off a little steam
, I use PT everyday for a living and as far as mixing it's the only thing that makes since to me. Sure I can do a mix in Logic, Studio One, Reason etc, but for me PT is the best.

If we are good engineers and or producers we can certainly mix and produce great product with PT10 and avid plugins only. So this is not an Avid bash.

Although I dont know you personally, I'm happy for you that you have your new HDX card on the way, I wish mine was on order too, but for me (and I believe many pro's will agree), the interviews were the first real concrete timelines for when I (we) can upgrade, or now more likely just buy a new HD system, but no problem, it's just the price of doing business and protools has never been cheap. I'm just tryna make business decisions....

Now work with me for a minute here, (Neil & Chris), most of us are professional mix engineers who need the plugins that we have built our reputations on available to us now, not later, we are in the middle of projects, we have to be able to do recalls when necessary, and I really really hope your statement of coming out of the "comfort zone" doesn't suggest that we are just comfortable with waves plugins? Come on now....
There are a lot of amazing tools available to us, with new ones on the way all the time but....
Protools along with Waves plugins are arguably the sonic footprint of the entire professional music industry right now whether we want to admit it or not.

So all I'm saying is that we as pros just needed a little more clarity from the beginning in order to make our business decisions moving forward, thankfully we now know that waves will be there, Now we can better plan our transition timelines, but we also need to be treated fairly as the loyal Digi/Avid clients we have been for so many years,
(i still wanna know why I cant use my blue 192 and 96i for my keyboards after pt10 if I want, I already own better converters).
Under these circumstances, we need to be afforded the fair and reasonable opportunity to transition to HDX when the platform is really ready for the professional who has been mixing in protools for the last 10 or so years.....

So Neil, please let us know how you like the new HDX when you get it , especially the sonic difference of the mix engine, keep us posted on the plugins that really shine on the new platform.

You too Chris, (I for one don't care if you work for avid, I look at you as someone who can really keep us informed), keep the insights coming, post some A/B clips ,maybe the live session you mentioned and try to get Avid to do the right thing by the loyal HD clients so we can all get into HDX)
When it's ready

We"ll see you when we get there.....

[C.Lambrechts]

Originally Posted by rashadrm@hotmai

Now work with me for a minute here, (Neil & Chris), most of us are professional mix engineers who need the plugins that we have built our reputations on available to us now, not later, we are in the middle of projects, we have to be able to do recalls when necessary, and I really really hope your statement of coming out of the "comfort zone" doesn't suggest that we are just comfortable with waves plugins? Come on now....
There are a lot of amazing tools available to us, with new ones on the way all the time but....
Protools along with Waves plugins are arguably the sonic footprint of the entire professional music industry right now whether we want to admit it or not.

I'm a plugin slut. I am .... atm whatever is not working as an aax is instaled as an rtas bundle.

As for waves : I installed my waves mercury TDM and upon first launch told it to use rtas.

All my old sessions work fine. All the waves tdm plugins I had in there open up as rtas plugins. It really is as simple as that as this point.

I don't feel like I cannot use any plugins I was already using on my TDM system.

Now as for aax availability, what it does do make me do for newer plugins is look at what currently IS available for AAX. The system 5 channelstrip for example. I've had it for a while but hadn't really used it yet in any sessions. Now I do use it and yes - it's an avid plugin and you may take my comments as biased but it is awesome !!!! I love it and it is already replacing my goto eq and dynamics which were the sonnox's.

I have the sonnox under rtas if I want to but I prefer at this point to use the channelstrip and I don't think I'll be going back anytime soon.

Same with the softtubes. They are aax dsp and I'm discovering them and finding them great. They also will likely replace a bunch of my usual suspects which would come out of the waves bundles for example.

The great thing currently is that I do have a choice. Rtas if I want to and AAX for those that are already available.

And last but not least, and this is something I'm already seeing with customers out there as well : They are doing the exact same thing. Using the AAX's for newer stuff. Rtas for old TDM sessions and if needed RTAS on HDX. But overall I have the feeling that in the long run it is going to be more a disadvantage for the plugins that are not yet aax ready. Their loss ...

Chris

[rashadrm@hotmai]

Originally Posted by C.Lambrechts

I'm a plugin slut. I am .... atm whatever is not working as an aax is instaled as an rtas bundle.

As for waves : I installed my waves mercury TDM and upon first launch told it to use rtas.

All my old sessions work fine. All the waves tdm plugins I had in there open up as rtas plugins. It really is as simple as that as this point.

I don't feel like I cannot use any plugins I was already using on my TDM system.

Now as for aax availability, what it does do make me do for newer plugins is look at what currently IS available for AAX. The system 5 channelstrip for example. I've had it for a while but hadn't really used it yet in any sessions. Now I do use it and yes - it's an avid plugin and you may take my comments as biased but it is awesome !!!! I love it and it is already replacing my goto eq and dynamics which were the sonnox's.

I have the sonnox under rtas if I want to but I prefer at this point to use the channelstrip and I don't think I'll be going back anytime soon.

Same with the softtubes. They are aax dsp and I'm discovering them and finding them great. They also will likely replace a bunch of my usual suspects which would come out of the waves bundles for example.

The great thing currently is that I do have a choice. Rtas if I want to and AAX for those that are already available.

And last but not least, and this is something I'm already seeing with customers out there as well : They are doing the exact same thing. Using the AAX's for newer stuff. Rtas for old TDM sessions and if needed RTAS on HDX. But overall I have the feeling that in the long run it is going to be more a disadvantage for the plugins that are not yet aax ready. Their loss ...

Chris

Now we"re getting somewhere, this is the kind of dialog I need now,
For the record:
I feel the same way about channelstrip, I did a whole mix damn near with only that plugin just to check it out in native, along with waves and a few others in Rtas.
So let me ask you this Chris,
If I get hdx I'm perfectly fine using Rtas waves as long as I need to.
Is it correct that the new channelstrip is DSP as well as native in HDX?
Do you know if I can use my blue HD I/O's with the new purple avid 192 I/O?
I would still need to keep my midi and outboard processors intact.
That way I can just stay in 10 for as long as I want until I decide to start using PT11 when it comes out......

[C.Lambrechts]

Originally Posted by rashadrm@hotmai

So let me ask you this Chris,
If I get hdx I'm perfectly fine using Rtas waves as long as I need to.
Is it correct that the new channelstrip is DSP as well as native in HDX?
Do you know if I can use my blue HD I/O's with the new purple avid 192 I/O?
I would still need to keep my midi and outboard processors intact.
That way I can just stay in 10 for as long as I want until I decide to start using PT11 when it comes out......

Channelstrip is both Native and DSP

Old and new 192 interfaces work together just fine. PT compensates for the difference in ADDA latency due to different convertors.

Your reasoning is perfectly valid


Chris

[rashadrm@hotmai]

Originally Posted by C.Lambrechts

Channelstrip is both Native and DSP

Old and new 192 interfaces work together just fine. PT compensates for the difference in ADDA latency due to different convertors.

Your reasoning is perfectly valid


Chris

Thanks Chris, with that info I may upgrade sooner than I thought

[fuserock]

@Chris Lambrechts, what kind of computer are you running? I have a Mac Pro quad core and a HDX card I haven't installed yet. I use the Waves Mercury bundle all of the time. Any idea if the quad can keep up with heavy RTAS use? I have used TDM for years.

[Firechild]

Originally Posted by fuserock

@Chris Lambrechts, what kind of computer are you running? I have a Mac Pro quad core and a HDX card I haven't installed yet. I use the Waves Mercury bundle all of the time. Any idea if the quad can keep up with heavy RTAS use? I have used TDM for years.

Don´t worry. Your quad can handle several hundreds of of waves plugins.
You quad is approx a HD "10" system = 10 Accelcards.