Why is there no post-production film/TV forum? - Page 2

Dunebuggy · 9th August 2006, 03:07 PM

Yes for a post prod. forum

Tripper · 9th August 2006, 03:27 PM

great idea! you got my vote.

marty lester · 9th August 2006, 05:15 PM

and another...yes!

starcrash13 · 19th December 2006, 12:43 AM

Just curious. Why is there no forum here at GS for post-production film/TV/multimedia? We're pretty slutty too. I suppose some aspects are covered in the "Remote Possibilities" forum, but that is predominately on the music end of things. Currently, the best forum for post-production sound discussion is the Digidesign User Conference, but it would be nice to have a good non-brand-specific forum to discuss sound editing, sound design, surround mixing, mics, preamps, room calibration, TV deliverables, etc. My vote would be for Tom Hambleton (Minister) to moderate.

Led · 19th December 2006, 01:00 AM

In my experience, and mine only, I've found the majority of post engineers (in my experience) aren't very gear slutty unless they also dabble in music. Post (in my experience) seems very driven by transparency as opposed to music production which (in my experience) seems more driven by the color individual pieces bring to the sonics. I'm yet to meet a post engineer who (in my experience) lusts after a 1073 to record vintage voice overs etc, so maybe there are more hanging on production sites and the digi site than there are here. This isn't a comment on all post engineers, just my experiences.
Cheers

JamieMB · 19th December 2006, 01:42 AM

I think its a fantastic idea.

jowillie · 19th December 2006, 01:43 AM

Yeah....how come?

Post video/film often means up-front presence within very narrow parameters.
Every trick and nuance shared is appreciated.
Color my butt...we just gotta hear it!

And another thing.....http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80882

JamieMB · 19th December 2006, 01:58 AM

i like the idea as well

dfarness · 19th December 2006, 02:06 AM

I think it's a great idea. As a someone who has worn many hats in the area of video production/post production, I think that audio is often overlooked or not considered to be that important to the overall television production. When striving for quality in television, audio should not take second place. I would like to hear some ideas on how other video producers are solving audio problems as they relate to their video productions.

RoundBadge · 19th December 2006, 02:17 AM

Great idea!

drBill · 19th December 2006, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Led

In my experience, and mine only, I've found the majority of post engineers (in my experience) aren't very gear slutty unless they also dabble in music. Post (in my experience) seems very driven by transparency as opposed to music production which (in my experience) seems more driven by the color individual pieces bring to the sonics. I'm yet to meet a post engineer who (in my experience) lusts after a 1073 to record vintage voice overs etc, so maybe there are more hanging on production sites and the digi site than there are here. This isn't a comment on all post engineers, just my experiences.
Cheers

That's cool, but I disagree. I think it's a killer idea. What about it Jules?

statikcat · 19th December 2006, 02:25 AM

I would love to talk ideas on setting up / running post projects. There really is no good forum online to do this! Please !

starcrash13 · 19th December 2006, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jowillie

And another thing.....http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80882

Oops...I swear I did a search. Really. Well, at least I'm not alone. As for the comment about the lack of sluttiness in the post world, I beg to differ. We lust after different things. This is why we would like a different forum. Rather than ponder the coloration of various A/D converters or split hairs over vintage tube preamps, we want to ponder over Neve DFC (Digital Film Console) and Sound Devices recorders...and LaFont pres...and Schoeps mics...and surround controllers...and PLUGINS...and Soundminer...and..and...and...you just don't understand, do you?

Dopamine · 19th December 2006, 07:15 AM

I was thinking about asking the same thing. There has to be quite a few of us here that do post-related work in addition to music. I would love to see it under the Gearslutz umbrella.

celticrogues · 19th December 2006, 03:58 PM

I would love a post forum too, as someone who is thinking about getting into that side of things. Thanks Jules!
-Mike

RadioMoo · 19th December 2006, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by starcrash13

Oops...I swear I did a search. Really. Well, at least I'm not alone. As for the comment about the lack of sluttiness in the post world, I beg to differ. We lust after different things. This is why we would like a different forum. Rather than ponder the coloration of various A/D converters or split hairs over vintage tube preamps, we want to ponder over Neve DFC (Digital Film Console) and Sound Devices recorders...and LaFont pres...and Schoeps mics...and surround controllers...and PLUGINS...and Soundminer...and..and...and...you just don't understand, do you?

Umm, I actually do lust after a U47, because it "sounds like me." An L47 is more realistic price-wise, but not this year.

I'm also still lusting after (and negotiating a price on) this old piece o'crap.

I already "voted" on the other thread last summer, but another one can't hurt:

**jayfrigo** · 19th December 2006, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by starcrash13

Rather than ponder the coloration of various A/D converters or split hairs over vintage tube preamps, we want to ponder over Neve DFC (Digital Film Console) and Sound Devices recorders...and LaFont pres...and Schoeps mics...and surround controllers...and PLUGINS...and Soundminer...and..and...and...you just don't understand, do you?

Possible topics: Consoles (Harrison MPC!). Which projector for HD? Should you invest in a DMU? Sync and related toys. New workflows for production in HD. Outboard vs. ITB. LEQ(m). Formats (SR-D, DTS, SDDS etc.). ADR techniques. Foley techniques. Plenty of mix issues. Monitoring - JBL cinema speakers vs. more "hi-fi" music oriented monitors found in some smaller rooms. X-curves and beyond. Large room vs. small room. Reference levels. Remixing for DVD. Restoration. Hard disk vs. tape video playback. Film projection and bi-phase. HD delivery to theaters. Multi-man vs. single man crews. Printmastering machines - will digi ever get it right and knock out the MMRs?

I could keep going on and on... There are plenty of topics, and some post engineers around, but GS is more weighted toward music, and I'm not sure there'd be enough people to keep it going. This has come up a couple times before. I'd participate if one were started, but I'm not sure of the viability. Perhaps we should get a Hollywood post industry guest moderator for a month and see how the traffic is?

mrlouie · 19th December 2006, 11:44 PM

that would be interesting to learn more about ...

jowillie · 20th December 2006, 02:26 AM

Looks like we may have already started one.

Jim vanBergen · 20th December 2006, 04:05 AM

Great Idea. Don't tell me we're not slutty enough. Some of us do post for our own projects...and some of us POST our own music projects... Trident, Neve, Neumann, YUM YUM!

Jules, what say you?

drBill · 20th December 2006, 04:20 AM

Yeah Jules! How about it???

matt82aust · 20th December 2006, 06:36 AM

definatily! its not going to detract from the site or what gearslutz is, no reason not to! im sure it would be far more popular than the electronic music forum ;)

cajonezzz · 20th December 2006, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayfrigo

Possible topics: Consoles (Harrison MPC!). Which projector for HD? Should you invest in a DMU? Sync and related toys. New workflows for production in HD. Outboard vs. ITB. LEQ(m). Formats (SR-D, DTS, SDDS etc.). ADR techniques. Foley techniques. Plenty of mix issues. Monitoring - JBL cinema speakers vs. more "hi-fi" music oriented monitors found in some smaller rooms. X-curves and beyond. Large room vs. small room. Reference levels. Remixing for DVD. Restoration. Hard disk vs. tape video playback. Film projection and bi-phase. HD delivery to theaters. Multi-man vs. single man crews. Printmastering machines - will digi ever get it right and knock out the MMRs?

I could keep going on and on... There are plenty of topics, and some post engineers around, but GS is more weighted toward music, and I'm not sure there'd be enough people to keep it going. This has come up a couple times before. I'd participate if one were started, but I'm not sure of the viability. Perhaps we should get a Hollywood post industry guest moderator for a month and see how the traffic is?

What are the JBL monitors you mention Jay?

I'd LOVE to see a post section.

Is there anything on the web now that covers post? I've seen the cinema audio society --- kinda thin.

cz

ron florentine · 20th December 2006, 10:11 AM

I had an oppurtunity a few years back to get into some post stuff but shyed away from it because of lack of basic insights.......but if there would of been a forum to ask and get some great info on GS my destiny could have been changed!!!!!! It is a great idea!!!!!!!!!

Ron Florentine
Soundswest Studio

Watersound · 20th December 2006, 10:30 AM

Add me to the list!! C'mon Jules, I think this could be really good.

Gibby · 20th December 2006, 11:14 AM

Another vote for a post forum.

**Jules** · 20th December 2006, 01:49 PM

Its been asked for before. I was reluctant in the past as my own knowledge of that field is scant but I am and more open minded now..

Jay's suggestion of a post expert guest for some Q&A - is a good one, lets see if we can try that in 2007 and see if there is enough interest to carry forward with... perhaps it wil start with a bang! (or someone hitting a table top with a hammer mic'ed up with a U87 going into a Neve 1073 into Pyramix

)

starcrash13 · 20th December 2006, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cajonezzz

Is there anything on the web now that covers post? I've seen the cinema audio society --- kinda thin.

Currently, the best forum for post is the Digidesign User Conference. Of course, it leans heavy towards being Pro Tools-specific but almost all aspects from production to editorial to mix to printmaster and beyond are often discussed there. The forum is called Post & Surround.

The DUC

I think it would be great to have a post forum here at GS that is beholden to no manufacturer and would foster the sharing of information on all things post. This exchange is especially important these days with the movement toward tapeless file-based workflows and high-definition formats.

lofi · 20th December 2006, 05:21 PM

v interested too.. i wear that hat sometimes....

marty lester · 20th December 2006, 05:30 PM

not to pile on, 'cause i think we've made our point to jules...but yeah, great
idea. i'd love to trade ideas about toys/software in the arenas of noise reduction,
metering, dolby encoding, surround sound monitors and controllers, sound
design, coffee makers, etc...

thanks j-stand,
marty in Austin

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19th December 2006, 12:43 AM	#34
starcrash13 Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Marin County, CA, USA Posts: 436	Why is there no post-production film/TV forum? Just curious. Why is there no forum here at GS for post-production film/TV/multimedia? We're pretty slutty too. I suppose some aspects are covered in the "Remote Possibilities" forum, but that is predominately on the music end of things. Currently, the best forum for post-production sound discussion is the Digidesign User Conference, but it would be nice to have a good non-brand-specific forum to discuss sound editing, sound design, surround mixing, mics, preamps, room calibration, TV deliverables, etc. My vote would be for Tom Hambleton (Minister) to moderate. __________________ Pascal Garneau \| IMDb www.pascalgarneau.com

19th December 2006, 01:00 AM	#35
Led Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,834	In my experience, and mine only, I've found the majority of post engineers (in my experience) aren't very gear slutty unless they also dabble in music. Post (in my experience) seems very driven by transparency as opposed to music production which (in my experience) seems more driven by the color individual pieces bring to the sonics. I'm yet to meet a post engineer who (in my experience) lusts after a 1073 to record vintage voice overs etc, so maybe there are more hanging on production sites and the digi site than there are here. This isn't a comment on all post engineers, just my experiences. Cheers __________________ "My voice has a built in extortion box" - recent vocalist I recorded...

19th December 2006, 11:44 PM	#48
mrlouie Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hollywood Posts: 171	that would be interesting to learn more about ... __________________ louie teran Marcussen Mastering

20th December 2006, 10:30 AM	#55
Watersound Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey/Nashville, TN Posts: 541	Add me to the list!! C'mon Jules, I think this could be really good. __________________ JD

9th August 2006, 03:07 PM	#31
Dunebuggy Gear nut Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 76	Yes for a post prod. forum

9th August 2006, 03:27 PM	#32
Tripper Gear Head Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Disneyland with the death penalty Posts: 53	great idea! you got my vote.

9th August 2006, 05:15 PM	#33
marty lester Gear maniac Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: austin, tx Posts: 191	and another...yes!

19th December 2006, 01:42 AM	#36
JamieMB Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 191	I think its a fantastic idea.

19th December 2006, 01:43 AM	#37
jowillie Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NC Posts: 203	Yeah....how come? Post video/film often means up-front presence within very narrow parameters. Every trick and nuance shared is appreciated. Color my butt...we just gotta hear it! And another thing.....http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80882

19th December 2006, 01:58 AM	#38
JamieMB Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 191	i like the idea as well

19th December 2006, 02:06 AM	#39
dfarness Gear nut Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 137	I think it's a great idea. As a someone who has worn many hats in the area of video production/post production, I think that audio is often overlooked or not considered to be that important to the overall television production. When striving for quality in television, audio should not take second place. I would like to hear some ideas on how other video producers are solving audio problems as they relate to their video productions.

19th December 2006, 02:17 AM	#40
RoundBadge Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles ,Ca. Posts: 5,986	Great idea!

19th December 2006, 02:25 AM	#42
statikcat Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA - Indiana Posts: 774	I would love to talk ideas on setting up / running post projects. There really is no good forum online to do this! Please !

19th December 2006, 07:15 AM	#44
Dopamine Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami Beach Posts: 1,548	I was thinking about asking the same thing. There has to be quite a few of us here that do post-related work in addition to music. I would love to see it under the Gearslutz umbrella.

19th December 2006, 03:58 PM	#45
celticrogues Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 562	I would love a post forum too, as someone who is thinking about getting into that side of things. Thanks Jules! -Mike

20th December 2006, 02:26 AM	#49
jowillie Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NC Posts: 203	Looks like we may have already started one.

20th December 2006, 04:05 AM	#50
Jim vanBergen Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York Friggin' City Posts: 2,296	Great Idea. Don't tell me we're not slutty enough. Some of us do post for our own projects...and some of us POST our own music projects... Trident, Neve, Neumann, YUM YUM! Jules, what say you?

20th December 2006, 04:20 AM	#51
drBill Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,838	Yeah Jules! How about it???

20th December 2006, 06:36 AM	#52
matt82aust Gear nut Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 147	definatily! its not going to detract from the site or what gearslutz is, no reason not to! im sure it would be far more popular than the electronic music forum ;)

20th December 2006, 10:11 AM	#54
ron florentine Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego,Ca Posts: 681	I had an oppurtunity a few years back to get into some post stuff but shyed away from it because of lack of basic insights.......but if there would of been a forum to ask and get some great info on GS my destiny could have been changed!!!!!! It is a great idea!!!!!!!!! Ron Florentine Soundswest Studio

20th December 2006, 11:14 AM	#56
Gibby Gear Head Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 52	Another vote for a post forum.

20th December 2006, 01:49 PM	#57
Jules Gearslutz.com admin Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 11,814	Its been asked for before. I was reluctant in the past as my own knowledge of that field is scant but I am and more open minded now.. Jay's suggestion of a post expert guest for some Q&A - is a good one, lets see if we can try that in 2007 and see if there is enough interest to carry forward with... perhaps it wil start with a bang! (or someone hitting a table top with a hammer mic'ed up with a U87 going into a Neve 1073 into Pyramix ) __________________ Jules "...there are some amazing deals to be had in this right now. it brings battleship mixing closer to the jilted generation" - reptil

20th December 2006, 05:21 PM	#59
lofi Gear addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: in my studio mostly Posts: 439	v interested too.. i wear that hat sometimes.... __________________ WTB : boss se-50, dpa/earthworks mics...ribbon mic. or anything halfrack (pref compression or coloured eq) or smaller size, all broken and non operating halfrack (and maybe fullrack) stuff too (filling empty rack slots)

20th December 2006, 05:30 PM	#60
marty lester Gear maniac Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: austin, tx Posts: 191	not to pile on, 'cause i think we've made our point to jules...but yeah, great idea. i'd love to trade ideas about toys/software in the arenas of noise reduction, metering, dolby encoding, surround sound monitors and controllers, sound design, coffee makers, etc... thanks j-stand, marty in Austin