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Euphonix S6

Just saw a little video demo of the new S6.
Looking like Game Over for other post consoles.
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The little I could see looked like a Nuage that made love to a S5.
I'm sure it will be nice.
I'm sure it will be expensive.
I'm sure we won't afford to replace our S5MC at release.
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looks like it has the Harrison waveform display. Nice.
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looks like it has the Harrison waveform display. Nice.
Did they license that? Thought that was patented.
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Did they license that? Thought that was patented.
SSL was doing it with their screensound long before Harrison.
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Just saw a little video demo of the new S6.
Looking like Game Over for other post consoles.
What's the little video demo you saw? Just the teaser thing or an actual demo video? Can you link to it?
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The S6 is a controller. The System5 remains the audio DSP console, aka Flagship at AVID.
From what I have understood (read it on the DUC), the S6 will replace both the Icon and the S5-MC.

Now if AVID have thought of making S6 modules that can fit into a System5 frame, that would be kinda sweet.
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i hope there is a s6 with the footprint of the d-command.
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What's the little video demo you saw? Just the teaser thing or an actual demo video? Can you link to it?
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SSL was doing it with their screensound long before Harrison.
From the harrison website:

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ESP PreView waveform Display with History (US patent 7,551,744)
But that works on any input so it's not just the waveforms from a PT timeline but also live-inputs with 10 second history.

PT can't do that so I guess it doesn't affect the patent.
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Looks neat, from what little I could see.

A week away. I sure hope we get to see real people(not marketing folks) explain this gear in interviews at IBC. Then we can perhaps compare it the MPC5-D.
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what is MPC5-D? A Harrison Console? S6 is "just" a controller. ...
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Ohhhhh nice... Any guesses as to price? No more Icons, wow
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what is MPC5-D? A Harrison Console? S6 is "just" a controller. ...
MPC5-D is indeed a Harrison desk. And S6 is "just" a controller as opposed to the S5 which contains its own mix engine and DSP.
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I understand that the S6 is completely modular
Both in width and depth. Ie add faders, add eq sections, sends whatever
This could be very cool
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Just saw a little video demo of the new S6.
Looking like Game Over for other post consoles.
You mean game over for D Command and Icon? Sure. For all other controllers that are made for a specific DAW, other than PT, it will be business as usual...

Unless AVID is targeting to control other DAWS like Fairlight, Nuendo or Pyramix, which I doubt
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You mean game over for D Command and Icon? Sure. For all other controllers that are made for a specific DAW, other than PT, it will be business as usual...

Unless AVID is targeting to control other DAWS like Fairlight, Nuendo or Pyramix, which I doubt
Bet they are via Eucon.
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I wouldnt say its game over for icon. There is a amazingly large install base of icons. I dont see it going away soon and if in demand mixers want icon they will get it. Avid knows it will take a while to migrate everyone off of icons.
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I didn't say game over for icons.
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I wouldnt say its game over for icon. There is a amazingly large install base of icons. I dont see it going away soon and if in demand mixers want icon they will get it. Avid knows it will take a while to migrate everyone off of icons.
Icons are great, it's going to take them a long while to disappear. The great thing about icons in facilities is that they are all the same. If you can work an icon, you can work it anywhere. A modular based system would take a while to get to grips with, even if you know the product, and a company with a large freelancer base on quicker turnaround work (entertainment television) would have an interesting decision to make.
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Unless AVID is targeting to control other DAWS like Fairlight, Nuendo or Pyramix, which I doubt
They already do, and quite well I must say. Here we have both a System5 and a S5-MC that are very good at controlling Nuendo via Eucon. The S6 replaces both the Icon series and the S5-MC so there would be no reason to not support other Eucon-enabled DAW.

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The Euphonix System 5 and MC were controlling Nuendo and other DAW´s, to a more or lesser degree, before AVID bought the company.

At that time, DAW´s like Nuendo for instance didn´t have a dedicated long form controller made specifically for it, if you exclude the IK, which was a third party manufactured device.

But some form of basic controlling has been made available from various console manufacturers, using protocols such as OASIS, Eucon, HUI etc. Brands like AMS-Neve, SSL, Audient etc. Not to mention Smart AV´s Tango, which is basically a touchscreen controller with faders and an excelent and versatile controller.

Apparently we´re seing an interest again in specific controllers, Yamaha´s Nuage for Nuendo is an example, you got the Fairlight EVO and Quantum for some time now and apparently a new controller, Iris, made for Pyramix by Smart AV will be introduced at IBC next week.

When I said that it may be game over for certain AVID´s controllers, I was only expressing my opinion about the OP own expression towards other manufacturers´controllers.

Even if AVID may be targeting other DAW´s than PT as possible clients for the controller, which is good if they do, as competion is healthy, I think that in the first stages it will be specifically and primary intended to PT. Starting with the hardware interface.

But well, let´s wait and see. After all, IBC is in a few days time.
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Avid knows it will take a while to migrate everyone off of icons.

Still a lot of people out there with ProControls -- I know one fellow who will have his EditPack joystick panners pried from his cold, dead hands.

Anybody know what kind of panners the S6 will have? Panning to picture with non-detented pots is a real pain, the only really good alternative I've seen is Spanner's overlay window.

Edit: I see it has one of those damnable touchscreens.
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Still a lot of people out there with ProControls -- I know one fellow who will have his EditPack joystick panners pried from his cold, dead hands.

Anybody know what kind of panners the S6 will have? Panning to picture with non-detented pots is a real pain, the only really good alternative I've seen is Spanner's overlay window.
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V-control pro.
The problem with iPad stuff is you have to look down to use it, because the screen has no physical feedback or hapticness.
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Just saw a little video demo of the new S6.
Looking like Game Over for other post consoles.
For TV maybe, for big-budget film it's unlikely.
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For TV maybe, for big-budget film it's unlikely.
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But that works on any input so it's not just the waveforms from a PT timeline but also live-inputs with 10 second history.

PT can't do that so I guess it doesn't affect the patent.
Or perhaps they got a patent license, these things happen all the time. (I bet Harrison would swap a patent license for a EuCon one.)
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How is it "game over for the Icon"?
Does Icon work with Pro Tools 11... Yes.
Does it work with 10, 9 and 8... Yes.
I will make an educated guess it works with PT 12 when it
comes out.
Will they sell any new Icons.. No
Will clients pay more to work on a S6... Not in the beginning.
Will clents pay more for anything these days... NO
Will they expect an S6 or demand one whithin the next 12 months...NO
Will budgets be going up.. NO
Will one's Post Sound Room need a S6 in the future to be competitive... Maybe
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