Waves NS1

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by FullFrequency

Wow this NS1 plug thread has caused quite a bit of calling each other out. Did everyone get out the wrong side of bed when replying or something!? Play nice people

Mind Your own business.
We can fight if we want to, dad.

[FullFrequency]

Originally Posted by Henchman

Mind Your own business.
We can fight if we want to, dad.

Haha, touché

[tom_lowe]

Originally Posted by minister

You can hone in on the offending frequencies with much more precision but you don't have to know the precise frequencies. Got it.

No need for sarcasm. From the DNS One Manual:
The Range Selectors concentrate the unit’s activity into the desired part of the audio spectrum.
Selecting any of these ranges concentrates all of the filters within the DNS One’s filter bank
across that part of the audio spectrum.

You have 6 faders, which can have any of the below ranges:
Low 20Hz - 400Hz
Mid 200Hz - 6kHz
High 4kHz - 18kHz
Low+Mid 20Hz - 6kHz
Mid+High 200Hz - 18kHz
Full Range 20Hz - 18kHz

Ergo, if you have 6 faders which are concentrating on 20Hz - 400Hz instead of going up to 18KHz, you are going to be able to find your offending frequency/ies with much more ease, are you not?

[Branko]

Originally Posted by tom_lowe

No need for sarcasm. From the DNS One Manual:
The Range Selectors concentrate the unit’s activity into the desired part of the audio spectrum.
Selecting any of these ranges concentrates all of the filters within the DNS One’s filter bank
across that part of the audio spectrum.

You have 6 faders, which can have any of the below ranges:
Low 20Hz - 400Hz
Mid 200Hz - 6kHz
High 4kHz - 18kHz
Low+Mid 20Hz - 6kHz
Mid+High 200Hz - 18kHz
Full Range 20Hz - 18kHz

Ergo, if you have 6 faders which are concentrating on 20Hz - 400Hz instead of going up to 18KHz, you are going to be able to find your offending frequency/ies with much more ease, are you not?

What are you trying to tell us? Much easier than what?

[Branko]

Originally Posted by tom_lowe

if you have 6 faders which are concentrating on 20Hz - 400Hz instead of going up to 18KHz

Allow me just one more question:
And how's that different from WNS?

[Vytis]

Wow, it's getting hot in here!

In the meanwhile, Mike at Pro Tools Expert has done a video review of the NS1:

[minister]

Originally Posted by tom_lowe

No need for sarcasm. From the DNS One Manual:
The Range Selectors concentrate the unit’s activity into the desired part of the audio spectrum.
Selecting any of these ranges concentrates all of the filters within the DNS One’s filter bank
across that part of the audio spectrum.

You have 6 faders, which can have any of the below ranges:
Low 20Hz - 400Hz
Mid 200Hz - 6kHz
High 4kHz - 18kHz
Low+Mid 20Hz - 6kHz
Mid+High 200Hz - 18kHz
Full Range 20Hz - 18kHz

Ergo, if you have 6 faders which are concentrating on 20Hz - 400Hz instead of going up to 18KHz, you are going to be able to find your offending frequency/ies with much more ease, are you not?

Sometimes sarcasm is exactly what's needed. Admit it, you didn't realize what you wrote. Besides, as you are wont to say, "lighten up" and get over yourself!

Exinde (to lob more Latin about), I have actually read the DNS One manual (without moving my lips) and know that you can have ranges for the faders. Did you know that with the Waves WNS you can also have 6 faders which are concentrating on 20Hz - 400Hz?

As Branko asked, "much more ease" than what? As I would ask, "more precision" than what? How is DNS One different in this regard than WNS?


For the record, I found DNS One to be a tad smoother than WNS. That is is why I purchased the DNS One.

I did not find WNS 1 all that useful on tracks that I had previously used DNS. But if it is all you can afford, and you use it correctly (like anything), especially in conjunction with another NR package, you can achieve useable results.

[nzl62]

I own WNS and all the other waves bits plus RX2. I am mid mix at a facility with DNS One and it rocks. Hands down the best. WNS is a toy by comparison. RX can be very audible but I use spectral repair all the time. Going to have to but DNS one for the cutting room as I have been amazed at what production has gone back in to the mix

[The Old Gearzer]

Tried the demo, have to say, very easy to use, reduces noise, say from a noisy mic, does not add unwanted artifacts unless you really crank it up. The one thing I did notice was, it boosts high frequencies even at low levels. Better than the W43 plug in, which seems to just cut the frequencies, like an EQ, giving you mud. I'm sticking with iZotope RX, no frequency coloring if used intelligently.

[warbler]

I just tried the NS1 on a voiceover male monologue.
Worked very well.
I was about to start editing out page turning sounds....
No need.
Quite remarkable for this particular project.
So much of the problem stuff I was going to work on was handled.
I give a big thumbs up.

[pethenis]

Originally Posted by warbler

I just tried the NS1 on a voiceover male monologue.
Worked very well.
I was about to start editing out page turning sounds....
No need.
Quite remarkable for this particular project.
So much of the problem stuff I was going to work on was handled.
I give a big thumbs up.

Man, that's just.... Wow.... Letting NR software handle page turns... I have to get out of this business.

[tilman]

[tom_lowe]

Originally Posted by pethenis

Man, that's just.... Wow.... Letting NR software handle page turns... I have to get out of this business.

I agree. Something very wrong is happening. Let's just put everything "through the box" and be done.

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by tom_lowe

I agree. Something very wrong is happening. Let's just put everything "through the box" and be done.

No kidding.
Editing is even too much work now.
Instead, lets compromise the quality of the sound by using a plugin.
sigh.....

[warbler]

I think you might have misconstrued my post.
The replies seemed a bit mean-spirited.

I've spent countless hours editing VO tracks.
I'm not a lazy editor.
I've been at this for over 30 years.
I very seldom rely on plugins to magically solve any problem.

In this one particular instance, the Waves plug did a very nice job of cleaning up a track.

This project had a very tight time frame and I was able to get good results that satisfied my client and me.

Not as good as if I had painstakingly edited every moment, but a very good sounding result.

[smurfyou]

I think the NS-1 is clearly aimed at editors who "mix" their own projects. Just like the other one-knob stuff.

Since we're also talking about WNS - I think it can do a decent job on moderate noise. On extremely noisy material it sucks the life out of dialog and has artifacts. And it exaggerates sibilance more. That is where it differs from DNS, on the noisiest of the noisy. Ironically the low budget films where I'm likely to have only WNS at my disposal are where I hear this terrible location sound. I think DNS is worth every penny and if I could afford my own license I'd do it without any second thought so I could bring it with me. That being said, for the money WNS is worth having just so you have another tool. I'd definitely buy RX first though.

I do get use out of W43.

[Smallbudgetguru]

Originally Posted by warbler

I just tried the NS1 on a voiceover male monologue.
Worked very well.
I was about to start editing out page turning sounds....
No need.
Quite remarkable for this particular project.
So much of the problem stuff I was going to work on was handled.
I give a big thumbs up.

Wow that's bad practice! Get it right from the start and if you can't fix this with editing not a plug in that will effect the timbre of the dialogue! Eek

[warbler]

Originally Posted by Smallbudgetguru

Wow that's bad practice! Get it right from the start and if you can't fix this with editing not a plug in that will effect the timbre of the dialogue! Eek

Yikes, another mean-spirited response.

I did not generate the VO recording.
It was given to me in the last phase of a very tight deadline project.
I was amazed by the effectiveness of the plugin.
It was a quick solution and it worked well.
My client was very happy with the results.

As I stated above, I am not a lazy editor.
I've spent over 30 years painstakingly editing VO stuff.
I know how to do it.

The only reason I posted about the Waves plug here was to offer help.
It worked really well for this particular situation.
It did not affect the timbre of the VO in a negative way.
It solved a problem for me.
I thought it might work well for someone else.

Since I posted the first post, I have spent many hours editing other VO tracks.
The old fashioned way.

If I'm faced with another tight deadline situation, I will try the Waves plug again.
If it works, I will use it.

[Nate Hoffman]

Wow, I guess it's the cool thing to bag on NS1. I don't have Cedar or WNS, so I picked it up and have found it very useful in certain circumstances. In my experience if you're hearing artifacts you are pushing it too hard. I'm glad I got it and I think it has a legitimate place in the professional post production world.