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Old 27th August 2012   #1
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Athmo Mono to Stereo, useful PlugIns?

Hi folks,

at first, I searched some time but don't find a really answer.
Second, no "When use mono or stereo athmos" discussion.

I record a lot of mono athmos at sets to refill gaps in the editing, later.
Sometimes I want to use these athmos to fill the stereo room.
I tried tricks like: double the mono track, delay/flange/chorus/pitch one track etc.
Nice, but I want it more comfortable.

Is there any useful PlugIn to do this for me ? I use PC/Mac and ProTools/Reaper. Nearly all formats - primary ProTools on Win.
I tried the new bx_stereomaker from brainworx. In the first 5min I miss the "Whooo, it' magic" moment
A little bit stereo was possible - a little bit.
More stereo ends in filter problems (but the correlation was near the 0 most of time).
I know it's not easy to handle a noisy street athmo ...

But hey, maybe there is some magic PlugIn or ProcessingAudioSuite

Thanks for your patient and useful answers,
Tom
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Much better to duplicate the mono-atmo and shift either side my a few seconds to create a pseudo-stereo atmo.
If it's too wide I run the ping-pong-stereo through an MS encode to narrow it a bit.
Usually much more under control result than any of those mono to stereo plugins that usually introduce nasty comb-filtering.
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I agree with apple-q above, but to answer your question - yes, there is a quick and easy way to do it:

Route the mono track through a stereo aux and place an AIR Stereo Width plugin on the aux. There is even a preset called Add Width To Mono Signal..
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There is another thread here started recently about the same thing, but stereo width plugins work pretty sell if you don't go overboard with them. They can really phasey/aftifacty if overdone. Izotope Ozone does this as well.
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Be careful if this is for broadcast. You can get kicked back by QC for phase problems because of these 'stereoizers'.
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Thank you for your concern, but I'm not a Berserker
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After all I bought bx_stereomaker ... and it's works.
First test: I used it on a mono-track of a demonstration (crowd, applause, slogans) - in combination with a distant citynoise athmo.
Nice - no blasphemous magic but nice supporting effect.
The correlation meter ist between 0 and +1 (0.75 )
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Stereoizers and fake stereo on stereoids always sounds phony to my ear and makes me cock my head like a dog that is confused by what the Master is trying to say withe words. Even the trick of laying down the recording on one side, hopping down a couple of minutes, and laying that against the original as the other side sounds.....meh, to put it technically.

Why not just cut mono room tone and fill as that is what you have? Then cut in true stereo BG's. Maybe even layers of them.

As an exercise, do both. See which sounds better.
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There's a plug-in in Logic Pro that can spread the frequencies of a mono track into stereo, without introducing phasing. I'm not sure if that would be a typical "stereoizer" but it may improve the quality when used with other phantom-stereo methods.

Edit: Yeah, sorry Tom apparently you don't have Logic haha. You could pull it off in a very basic way with EQ for two mono channels, and maybe throw in a tiny reverb or delay on one or the other.
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For internal loud atmoses like crowd I use Altiverb stereo.
Works pretty well without any phasing issues.
I am talking about the situation where Mono goes to Center without any verb and feeding stereo Altiverb outputing to L and R only.
Don't over do it however.
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