21st August 2012
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#1 | | Gear interested
Joined: Jun 2012
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Thread Starter | Need help creating a post studio with 100k Budget.
I'm a recent audio engineering grad. Just landed a kickass internship with a company in the area. They do reality TV film. I have a 100,000 dollar budget to set up my own studio to work in. I've got the basic idea c24 controller, mac pro, speaker setup. But I'd like to know what other ideas you people have. I need this internship to turn into a job, so I can quit my shitty job at a corporate big box company and work in my field. Thanks for any input.
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#2 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Mar 2012 Location: NYC |
Not to sound off putting, but I would suggest using some of that budget to talk to someone who builds studios. A lot more goes into a studio, especially if you are trying to get Dolby certified (basically a requirement for any well paying gig), then setting up a Mac Pro and a few speakers.
I would also save a couple of thousand to pay someone to trouble shoot when you have problems in your studio that you don't know how to fix.
P.S. If this is a troll post, hahaha you got me.
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#3 | | Gear interested
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nope, not a troll. It's my bosses test for me. and I need to pass. I've got about 30,000 of it set up. c24, I/Os, yamaha Hs80ms, yamaha HS10W, Audioease altiverb 7 XL, Sound Proffing, iZotope RX2 Advanced, iZotope Ozone advanced. All this costs about 30k. I've got a guy to build the studio. I just need to fill up about 70k worth of stuff. obviously we're going to have a pro set it all up.
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#4 | | Gear interested
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I was also looking the AVID Icon's
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#5 | | Gear nut
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that's a nice little test for an internship
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#6 | | Lives for gear
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damn thats the best internship ever. 100k studio built to your needs?
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#7 | | CEO - Z-Shift LLC
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You have 100k, and you bought HS80Ms? Interesting choice...
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#8 | | Gear nut
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Originally Posted by jrhager84 You have 100k, and you bought HS80Ms? Interesting choice...
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using Tapatalk | My thoughts exactly. I'd put more money into the monitors or loudspeakers and then maybe an icon or euphonix board. You could spend just 100k building out the room itself. If you are getting close just throw in a pool or ping pong table as well as coffee maker.
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#9 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jun 2002 Location: LA, USA |
Don't even think about not Getting CEDARS DNS One.
Oh, and you don't need Altiverb for Reality TV.
You will want a plugin to measure loudness, to meet delivery specs.
Youll need dual monitors and either. A big Flatscreen or projector depending on the size of the room.
PT'S 10 native with the proper interface, and nice chairs for the client to sit in.
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#10 | | Gear interested
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what kind of interface do you suggest Mark?
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#11 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jun 2002 Location: LA, USA | Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadIrishMonkey what kind of interface do you suggest Mark? | Depends on what kind of stuff you're going to be doing.
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#12 | | Matt R. Sherman
Joined: Jan 2010 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Zip over to the John l sayers forum.
I built a small 1,700 square foot facility (adr studio, foley, edit and small mix room).
One thing I can tell you is spend a LOT of time refining your bill of materials and construction costs. Things add up quicky with every trip to the hardware depot you may end up grabbing various tools and perks not in original
Budget. Think about deco too, plants office supplies coffee machines.
Watch that budget! And enjoy it! Its a great experience and addctive. We are now designing a larger foley studio but will spend a good 6-12 months in design
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#13 | | Gear nut
Joined: Mar 2009 Location: UK |
Better monitors, icon or euphonix desk and getting the physical dimensions of the room and acoustics right will finish off the budget no problem. I am also amazed anyone would trust an intern with 100k project. Either you've seriously impressed the boss (I hope this is the reason), this is a paper exercise or your boss has a lot, lot more money than time.
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#14 | | Gear addict
Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Lisbon | Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadIrishMonkey ...c24, I/Os, yamaha Hs80ms, yamaha HS10W, Audioease altiverb 7 XL, Sound Proffing, iZotope RX2 Advanced, iZotope Ozone advanced. All this costs about 30k... | No serious sound proofing (whatever it means) fits into 30K budget. You'll spend 30K for some moderate treatment of your room.
You need to hear and see what you're doing, so spend some decent money on sound and picture monitoring. Plus all said by other posters.
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#15 | | Gear interested
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Thats a great budget to start out with, well done!
Maybe you should look at profit and loss figures first and work out how long the room will take to pay for itself and maybe you can deliver without spending all your budget and work the room up from there..
I only say this because this i exactly what I am doing, work the numbers as if you had to pay yourself for a while, it will put some serious resistance into those purse strings which i am sure your boss will appreciate.
Just a thought
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#16 | | Lives for gear
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It was mostly a different mix.
I've been told Broadcasters pay for what you get, as in audio outputs, vision feed etc.
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#17 | | Lives for gear
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Gear is cheap,
It's the building of the room that will cost u big bucks
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21st August 2012
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#18 | | Gear interested
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by thermisonic Better monitors, icon or euphonix desk and getting the physical dimensions of the room and acoustics right will finish off the budget no problem. I am also amazed anyone would trust an intern with 100k project. Either you've seriously impressed the boss (I hope this is the reason), this is a paper exercise or your boss has a lot, lot more money than time.
Rob Walker AMPS |
Yeah, I guess I did. Graduated with honors. I am now realizing that I'm gonna have to spend a major portion of this budget on the acoustics of the room.
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22nd August 2012
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#19 | | Gear addict
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don't forget to account for cabling, power conditioning, lighting, furniture, AC dampeners, acoustic treatment, etc.
henchman's list of software needs is super important - and I'd add a multiband expander, RX2, and a good limiter to the list.
you'll also need a lav mic, a shotgun, an LDC, and some headphones.
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22nd August 2012
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#20 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Mar 2009 Location: The O.C. |
Back in the day, complete studio build outs (from an empty shell) were in the $200 - $300 per finished sq ft. range. You might be able to do it for about half that today with a few of friends swinging hammers (assuming they know how) If you're planning anything in the 400-500 sq.ft. range for Mix room, and a Studio/VO booth of 200 sq.ft. - you're looking at easily $50K for a semi-professionally designed and VERY modestly trimmed room. (No fancy wood QRDs and such.) Proper AC alone could be $6-10K. Your $100K sounds like a good bit, but it will go quickly, and 40% - 50% of it should be acoustical treatment/control. You really need to look at what kind of Post Audio you need to do now, and 10 years from now. Plan a properly sized, properly constructed room to handle most of the work you will be doing, but not a 'sky's the limit', 'We can do anything in here' room. Rent/hire that when you need it.
Make your equipment decisions last - you may have a little less $$ than what you hoped for at the end of it all...
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22nd August 2012
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#21 | | Gear nut
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Hmmm 100K and you brought C24 Fail! Yamaha Hs80ms and HS10W Fail and Fail you dont need Audioease for Reality TV fail. You must either have the dumbest or best boss in the world depending on how you look at it. Sorry to be so harsh mate but really!
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24th August 2012
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#22 | | 70% Coffee, 30% Beer
Joined: Dec 2006 Location: Quincy, MA
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Originally Posted by DeadIrishMonkey I'm a recent audio engineering grad. Just landed a kickass internship with a company in the area. They do reality TV film. I have a 100,000 dollar budget to set up my own studio to work in. I've got the basic idea c24 controller, mac pro, speaker setup. But I'd like to know what other ideas you people have. I need this internship to turn into a job, so I can quit my shitty job at a corporate big box company and work in my field. Thanks for any input. | Congrats, but that means that you should really be researching your newly aquatinted facility, and how IT really works. That's the assignment, I think they are trying to advocate here. It will help you learn how their facility operates, not so much about what you would do with 100K, but rather a build out for what is deemed needed for the applications their shop has. Try to get creative, but stay focused on your real assignment! learning anything and everything about this place!
It is probably an assignment where context matters, and will no doubt be impressive to the owners that you studied their specific setups, and put thought into the work flow and integration for what they do. We know even less about their facility to say what 100K would be best invested into for this specific Production Room. Typically, in these types of facilities, all the engineers get together and discuss their budgets and what needs to be added/removed, modified and changed based on their workflow and output.
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