Thoughts on this? (Upmix content)

[PeterN]

Originally Posted by pethenis

Anymix - the surround maker by IOSONO - YouTube

Seems to have some pretty cool features

Yup. I have it and love it. I mainly use the panning features which makes the mix WAY more lively. Thought the upmix is good as well.

[jrhager84]

Interesting.

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[Murasamee]

This is definitely something that I can use. Going to try it out on a current mix I have going...

[Mundox]

Interesting indeed.
Would like to hear how it compares to other players in the game.

[minister]

Iosono releases new surround mixing plug-in Anymix

[Henchman]

So, anymix is on sale, and I m thinking about picking it up.
Dies anybody have more feedback on it?
I want to use it to create surround from stereo music cues.

[rcutz]

Originally Posted by Henchman

So, anymix is on sale, and I m thinking about picking it up.
Dies anybody have more feedback on it?
I want to use it to create surround from stereo music cues.

Hi henchman. I have it. I bought it through that sale. I would say that it worth, but I did not have the opportunity to try it on various genre of music. I use to expande only on classical tunes, that over used in the movie I`m mixing now. I think it help`s a lot to create a nice "expanding" of the cues. The interface is quite intuitive and it did not tax my 8 core 2008 Macpro, but I should note that I do re-record all transformation to a new 5.1 track. I found the sound quality very good and extreme transparent. I did not feel it capable or doing something more to the detail like UNWRAP where sometimes is possible to get extreme instruments separations, but I did not have time to push it. But, If you can`t have unwrap, like me being a "native" guy, I think it is worth the $.

[brandoncross]

Originally Posted by Henchman

So, anymix is on sale, and I m thinking about picking it up.
Dies anybody have more feedback on it?
I want to use it to create surround from stereo music cues.

Henchman,
If you are delivering to abc, upmixed stereo elements from his plug in will be rejected 90% of the time. This plug in uses phase to widen stereo to 5.1 and abc is kind of a stickler phase coherency.

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by brandoncross

Henchman,
If you are delivering to abc, upmixed stereo elements from his plug in will be rejected 90% of the time. This plug in uses phase to widen stereo to 5.1 and abc is kind of a stickler phase coherency.

Thanks for the info. That's see very important info.
I will not get it then.

[rcutz]

Originally Posted by brandoncross

Henchman,
If you are delivering to abc, upmixed stereo elements from his plug in will be rejected 90% of the time. This plug in uses phase to widen stereo to 5.1 and abc is kind of a stickler phase coherency.

HI Brandon, real question: This "upmix" process, isn`t it all ways a phase related process, no matter which plug-in? Thanks. Ricardo

[HighGain]

Hi Henchman,

I own it and preferably use it for upmixing stereo ambience to 5.1 and i must say i haven't heard any other plug in perform so well with that task. As for music it highly depends on the content itself. sometimes the upmixed music sounds awesome, sometimes its just not usable..

i personally recommend it (especially at the current price) simply because it filled a niche in my plug in collection ( stereo to 5.1 without artificial reverb) for which i otherwise would have paid ALOT more ..

[brandoncross]

Originally Posted by HighGain

Hi Henchman,

I own it and preferably use it for upmixing stereo ambience to 5.1 and i must say i haven't heard any other plug in perform so well with that task. ..

Tc electronics unwrap sounds so much better. The dts upmix plug in sounds better as well but not by the huge margin the tc plug in does. All other up mixing plug ins might sound worse or the same. None of them give acceptable results to me. So it's tc (I don't have a Tdm rig anymore so that's out) or the dts for now.

[brandoncross]

Originally Posted by rcutz

HI Brandon, real question: This "upmix" process, isn`t it all ways a phase related process, no matter which plug-in? Thanks. Ricardo

No. You can turn on wideners on the tc electronic unwrap plug in but it uses some kind of magic to do what it does. I honestly don't know how it can separate sounds like it does. It's a amazing algorithm. The fold back down to stereo sounds great too. A shame it's only Tdm. I upgraded to hdx so I can't use my license anymore.

Now I use neural upmix by dts. That plug in also doesnt mess with the phase of the elements it's upmixing. It doesn't sound as stunning as the tc plug but it does the job and once again the fold down sounds 100% like the original elements.

I mixed an entire 7 hour long show series for ABC 2 years ago. They changed their QC process after they passed every single show. 9 months later and after the first show aired, they kicked back every single ESP including the ESP that aired! All because I had the wideners turned on on unwrap (even tho the fold down sounded great, 5.1 sounded sounded great and no other networks where failing this same upmixing process). I had to remix and relayback every single show and every single dub of that show, which had been dubbed to 4 different tapes by then! It was a disaster! I'm never doing that again and will never use a plug in that even remotely shifts phase for upmixing.

[Henchman]

Brandon, I have ALWAYS stayed away from any plugin that uses phase shifting to widen or deepen teh stereo image.
That being said, can one turn off the widening of Anymix?
Or is the phase shifting just part of the overal plugin?

[Mundox]

I've been using the demo for a while now and pretty happy with the results I am getting. Using it mainly to spread mono ambiances.
The panning itself is worth a look too. It makes it so easy to place elements in the surround field.
I might buy it today actually, cause it will save me a heap of time in this one particular scene where all the sound design needs to spin around.

@henchman Upmix function is off by default, so no phase shift introduced off the bat.

[brandoncross]

Originally Posted by Henchman

Brandon, I have ALWAYS stayed away from any plugin that uses phase shifting to widen or deepen teh stereo image.
That being said, can one turn off the widening of Anymix?
Or is the phase shifting just part of the overal plugin?

I tried out the demo. I could not keep the phase meter from turning red no matter what I did. I will say I loved the panning tho. So cool how it will auto Doppler the panning for you. It's just not good for upmixing.

[Vidius]

Bought it.
Panner is amazing, it's no auto-doppler (no change in frequency, luckily) but has an optional auto high-cut filter if you move it "outside" the speakers. The panner wil really save me a lot of time; even panning stereo sounds is so much easier now...
I haven't tried spanner, which looks amazing aswell, but anymix is just a superb panner.

Then the upmixing. I only did some initial testing with this, and the surround signal certainly never sounded phasey to my ears. I'm quite allergic to any kind of phase tricks for widening, so i think (but not sure..) anymix doesn't do this.

It feels like anymix is abstracting the ambience that's present in a signal and routes that to the rears. Really dry signals don't work as well as a result. But I'm rather happy with how the upmix sounds, not too extreme but nice.
(I have never used unwrap, but hope to be able to test in if they ever go AAX.)

Stereo foldown of the upmixed signal sounds clean, which is good news. When upmixed with extreme settings, it's obviuos in the folddown, but generally I'm really pleased.

Maybe someone from iosono could chime in regarding the technique used for upmix?

[HighGain]

Originally Posted by brandoncross

I tried out the demo. I could not keep the phase meter from turning red no matter what I did...

I did a few tests today to have a more detailed look into this behaviour, and i found out that the surrounds that are created with the "upmix" function of anymix are in fact in phase to the corresponding front speaker (SL is in phase to L and SR is in phase with R) but the two created surrounds have antiphase spikes when compared to each other (SL <> SR).

I don't quite see where the problem is here (but i must admit i don't produce for broadcasting and i don't know how bc stations create their stereo broadcast stream out of the 5.1)

When i summed SL to L and SR to R there were no cancellations (is it called like that?), so for me that is fine.

[brandoncross]

Originally Posted by HighGain

I did a few tests today to have a more detailed look into this behaviour, and i found out that the surrounds that are created with the "upmix" function of anymix are in fact in phase to the corresponding front speaker (SL is in phase to L and SR is in phase with R) but the two created surrounds have antiphase spikes when compared to each other (SL <> SR).

I don't quite see where the problem is here (but i must admit i don't produce for broadcasting and i don't know how bc stations create their stereo broadcast stream out of the 5.1)

When i summed SL to L and SR to R there were no cancellations (is it called like that?), so for me that is fine.

Abc does not care but if it seems right. They look at how all the channels correlate with eachother. I any channel starts to cancel with any other channel they will kick it back. Anymix, for sure, does this and also makes inharent phasing problems in stereo music content worse! Exasperating the issue. Also I really don't like the way the upmix sounds. Dull and crappy. The Fold down from the upmix also sounds washed out to me and reverb heavy. That's me tho. Glad you like it.

[emilano]

how do you get the dts? it seems like you can only get it at these sketchy downloading sites...

[emilano]

I found it here
Neural™ UpMix by DTS | DTS

But is there no demo? : (

[Tstein]

Originally Posted by HighGain

I did a few tests today to have a more detailed look into this behaviour, and i found out that the surrounds that are created with the "upmix" function of anymix are in fact in phase to the corresponding front speaker (SL is in phase to L and SR is in phase with R) but the two created surrounds have antiphase spikes when compared to each other (SL <> SR).

I don't quite see where the problem is here (but i must admit i don't produce for broadcasting and i don't know how bc stations create their stereo broadcast stream out of the 5.1)

When i summed SL to L and SR to R there were no cancellations (is it called like that?), so for me that is fine.

The above scenario may be OK for a Stereo Down mix but problematic for Mono Down mix. Yes folks still listen to mono!