ADR recording on location

[tsvisser]

Are you asking about ADR like the title of your post? I'm a little confused, you then start talking about atmos and M-S. Are you also the production sound mixer or you are really only interested in ADR? Docs are too varied to have a generic answer. MKH-50, MKH-416 or 4060 can get an awful lot of work done. It is not uncommon to use lavaliere mics for these types of shoots. I use MKH-8050, MKH-8060, Sanken COS-11, and Countryman B6 in the field and MKH-60 and COS-11 in the studio specifically for ADR.

[ramil]

Thank you! and sorry for confusion. Basically, I'll be recording dialogue on location and it will not be overdubed later on in studio (as main characters are not available for coming to uk). As I'll be doing post later on including mixing I'm planning to get some atmos recordings done as well. For that I'm planning to use nt5 cardioid with blue line figure 8 capsule to get M/S. I'll be using lavaliere mics as well that I'm planning to record using zoom. (will see how it will sound on location) .

[tsvisser]

If your doing mostly sit-down interviews, the typical SOP is boom and lav. It doesn't have to be wireless, could be a wired lav (Sanken COS-11 or Sony ECM-77 or -88 good candidates). There are many options for high quality omni lavs designed specifically for dialogue. It is more in the technique, though, than the equipment... If you have to do anything that requires mobility, you'll have to go wireless, though, and that starts to get real expensive very quickly. For tight interiors, MKH50 or other hypercardiod would be great. For larger / non-reverberant interiors or exteriors, a good shotgun is necessary. Again, most of this is technique and knowing your mic patterns. If you are more "run and gun" this opens up a whole new can of worms and your inexperience could pose issues as you try to figure out ways to cope with typical set conditions.

I personally would forget the zoom, you have a 702T, which is a great tool for the job, just use that. You likely don't need atmos during an interview, if that is what you are recording, just get room tones before or after each unique setup and record ambiences and sound effect elements separately in sound hunting sessions. Using something like a Zoom is going to create a lot of work for someone (you?) in post and ultimately will not perform as well as you monitoring through the 702T. Part of the job is capturing good sound, the other part is monitoring the sound and performing QC and knowing when you have to stop and fix something. Using a Zoom is not going to allow you to do that.

Maybe you want to introduce yourself in the "Who am I" thread over at JWSOUND.NET if you want more expert advice than mine.

[apple-q]

Originally Posted by ramil

Hi,

Finally I'm going on my first gig to do some recording abroad (Italy) for documentary. However, I was wondering whats your preferences for dialog recording (microphone wise). At my disposal I'll have either pair of NT5 or Nt2 and one figure 8 akg blue line for atmos/ms recording combined with any of other shotgun mics. All mics will be recorded via sound devices 702t. As I'm insuring equipment I want to take only what I need to reduce insurance costs. So would be glad to hear your opinions or suggestions on microphone choise. I'll have a few sennheiser me 66 at my disposal if needed.

Best,

Ramil

You can leave the NT2 at home. That's a LDC that you will most likely never need.
For a doco-shoot you will rather need a shotgun mic like a MKH60 and a pair of radio mics.

Also your recorder only has 2 inputs so you will need a mixer (302 or something like that) so you can actually mix 2 lavs to one channel and the boom to the other.

Docos usually move very fast so use your main mic as the mid and a small 8 added to the back so you don't have to switch mics to record a quick background. That will give you the best boom and stereo rig on the same ticket.

Take a MKH60 with a Schoeps CCM-8 (or an Ambient Emesser if budget is tight) and 2 radiomics and leave what you have at home.

Forget about the Zoom for recording lavs. You could use the Zoom for quick Atmos and record everything else to the 702. If you have ever done a doco-shoot you might know that small footprint and the least cumbersome setup is essential. So try to get yourself covered with the least about of mics and recorders. In a run and gun shoot your planned setup is going to kill you.

Your motto "(will see how it will sound on location)" is a risky approach. If you haven't done this before try everything you can before the shoot and don't assume anything. On most shoots there's isn't any time for experimentation.

Far less to cary and better suited for the job, IMO.

[ramil]

Thanks for a great tip!!! Now sorting out all equipment ASAP to practice abit and get ready as much as possible!!!!!! Thanks alot!!!!!

[mgoorevich]

What apple-q said.
Plus make sure to have very good wind protection solution. Ideal -Rycote zeppelin with hairy windjammer. Without it your recording most probably will be ruined when shooting on outside locations. Don't hi-pass the wind. Use other arsenal before you apply 60-120 Hz Hi-pass. If it doesn't work you probably cannot deliver a good sound in this particular situation. Let it know to producer / director - it's better doing before than having trouble at the mix time. They can (oh yes, they can) change the location if its not suitable for the sound. Otherwise let them assume the responsibility 100%.
Even with 302 mixer, using MS requires some experience. While MS occupies two inputs, there is only one left for the radio mic. Or you have to disconnect an S signal in order to free the input for the second radio mic.
Instead use a regular gun shot like mkh60 or Sanken CS-3e with 2 radios permanently connected.
Should you have time for atmos, get a hand held recorder like Olympus LS11 ready in your bag. (take care of the windjammer as well)

Good luck.

[ramil]

I want to thank all of you for sharing your knowledge with me! Took out all necessary equipment and tested out all equipment and everything is working great and sounding good! Now on the way to get some audio recording done!

Best,

Ramil