Getting rid of Waves

[Airon]

How does the Precision De-Esser fair compred to the Renaissance DeEsser ? That's one of my correction tools I value greatly in dialogue mixing.

Interesting to use the SPL Transient Designer for expanding away some production sound reverb. I would have opted for the C4 maybe in combination with a DNS1 or WNS. The transient designer I hadn't even considered, and written it off as a music mixing tool.

Well, I'd certainly love to hear about the Precision De-Esser. The Oxford Suppressor would have been my first choice of new things to try.

And the SPL VoG plugin, does it simply control that 150-250 Hz mud ?

EQuick is my go-to as well by now. Had its problems but I wouldn't notch with anything else now. Chipped away plenty of resonances with that in the last months. EQIII has been sent down the river with concrete boots.

[seanmccoy]

Though I love my UAD plugins, I'm not planning to get rid of Waves anytime soon here. But if I were I'd be curious to know how the Precision Multiband compares with C4. PM isn't one of the UA plugins one hears much about. I've never even demo'd it. Anyone else?

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by Airon

How does the Precision De-Esser fair compred to the Renaissance DeEsser ? That's one of my correction tools I value greatly in dialogue mixing.

Interesting to use the SPL Transient Designer for expanding away some production sound reverb. I would have opted for the C4 maybe in combination with a DNS1 or WNS. The transient designer I hadn't even considered, and written it off as a music mixing tool.

Well, I'd certainly love to hear about the Precision De-Esser. The Oxford Suppressor would have been my first choice of new things to try.

And the SPL VoG plugin, does it simply control that 150-250 Hz mud ?

EQuick is my go-to as well by now. Had its problems but I wouldn't notch with anything else now. Chipped away plenty of resonances with that in the last months. EQIII has been sent down the river with concrete boots.

The precision de-Esser is much more versatile, and smoother IMO. It has a variable Q you can control, that goes from narrow up to a high pass. As well as an adjustable attack. Fast and slow.

The VOG is designed to give you some nice bottom resonance on dialog, without the mud.
The SPL transient designed, IMO works better, in most cases, than a combination often other tools. I also used a combo of C4 and DNS. But with the SPL, I have it n each dilag track, bypassed and already set to pretty much the setting that works. So it's a simple bypass click away from using if. So vey fast, and efficient. Without affecting the dialog too much.

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by seanmccoy

Though I love my UAD plugins, I'm not planning to get rid of Waves anytime soon here. But if I were I'd be curious to know how the Precision Multiband compares with C4. PM isn't one of the UA plugins one hears much about. I've never even demo'd it. Anyone else?

I used to use the PMB a ton on vocals in music production. Fantastic for getting a nice full, smooth vocal track.
Problem with it is, that because of the up sampling it has a pretty hefty latency, which is Outside of the Pro-Tools maximum.

[John T]

Originally Posted by Henchman

The precision de-Esser is much more versatile, and smoother IMO. It has a variable Q you can control, that goes from narrow up to a high pass. As well as an adjustable attack. Fast and slow.

I agree with that completely. I do a lot of editing for a radio show (talking) as well as music and have found the Precision De-esser to be far superior to the Waves version. I really do like the UA stuff, it just sounds GOOD!

[Henchman]

Also, a nice thing about using the LA2A at he end of the DX chain, is I use it as a make-up gain, so I don't have to drive the signal path too much, too get it nice and hot on the output. So, now there so much less chance of channels overloading, and overloading of the CEDAR.

[Airon]

Thanks for the info. Sounds like the UAD platform is very stable on PT 10 rigs.

I'll give the native version SPL TD a try, since I can't go for the UAD platform with the budget priorities right now. It's very good to know what uses in it there may be for me all the same.

The LA2A is an interesting choice. Apart from Waves RComp I haven't come up with a whole lot of good dia comps, and sadly also dismissed the LA2A as a unit used best in music mixing, which I sometimes engage in. I gotta try more stuff .

The Klanghelm DC8A is great, but no RTAS or AAX so far. Whenever I mix on a VST platform, I'll usually pick between the two.

[brandoncross]

Wave arts multi dynamics is way better than the c4. Only rtas at this time tho.

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by brandoncross

Wave arts multi dynamics is way better than the c4. Only rtas at this time tho.

Rtas is fine.
I'll have to check it out.

[UnderTow]

Originally Posted by Airon

How does the Precision De-Esser fair compred to the Renaissance DeEsser ? That's one of my correction tools I value greatly in dialogue mixing.

Talking about de-essing, I've been demoing the Brainworx | bx_dynEQ V2 for de-essing purposes on various material. It is extremely smooth, flexible and powerful and does much much more than just de-essing.

A bit expensive but... I think I'll have to buy it. Worth checking out!

Alistair

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by UnderTow

Talking about de-essing, I've been demoing the Brainworx | bx_dynEQ V2 for de-essing purposes on various material. It is extremely smooth, flexible and powerful and does much much more than just de-essing.

A bit expensive but... I think I'll have to buy it. Worth checking out!

Alistair

They have it for the UAD as well. But, as a De-Esser, I think I would rather have a plug-in that is just a de-Esser. Just like the VOG and the SPL transient designer, the precision de-esser is a one trick pony. But using one trick ponies, I find, allows you to work much faster. The parameter you are looking for is right there.
But that's just what works for me.
If one was wanting a de-Esser and an eq all in one, the brainworx is supposed to be amazing. A friend of mine has used it on music, and he raved about it.

[BIGBANGBUZZ]

Have you tried the Massey Desser

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[Henchman]

Originally Posted by BIGBANGBUZZ

Have you tried the Massey Desser

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No. How is it?

[danijel]

Just for the record, iZotope has a multiband compressor too, and I mostly just use two bands to tame the mids on TV shows when necessary.
OT: is anyone using multiband as an insert on dialog, or even instead of regular compressors? I haven't considered/tried that in a long time.....

[superwack]

Interesting thread / but FYI the VOG is made by Little Labs NOT SPL… surprised multiple people in this thread have incorrectly credited it to SPL!

[BIGBANGBUZZ]

Originally Posted by Henchman

No. How is it?

It's my fav, previously I used the waves dresser a C1 sidechain or the digi.

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[Whitecat]

Originally Posted by danijel

OT: is anyone using multiband as an insert on dialog, or even instead of regular compressors? I haven't considered/tried that in a long time.....

Only for noise reduction here - not for any kind of sound shaping/levelling.

[Alexey Lukin]

Originally Posted by danijel

is anyone using multiband as an insert on dialog, or even instead of regular compressors?

Some deessers are made as multiband compressors (2 or 3 bands).

[danijel]

Originally Posted by Alexey Lukin

Some deessers are made as multiband compressors (2 or 3 bands).

That makes sense, since esses all all over the spectrum.....

[brandoncross]

Originally Posted by BIGBANGBUZZ

It's my fav, previously I used the waves dresser a C1 sidechain or the digi.

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Me too. Massey makes great plug ins.

[RecRoom]

I use a DSM on my dialog buss, which I guess you could call multiband. However I do keep it "light". I prefer CT4 or Rcomp to do the heavy lifting.

The UAD system sounds great, however I'm constantly working in different rooms and lugging the thing around doesn't sound too appealing.

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by RecRoom

The UAD system sounds great, however I'm constantly working in different rooms and lugging the thing around doesn't sound too appealing.

Actually, the sattelite is small. Thats why i decided to get it.
It sits perfectly in the slot at the top of a Macpro.
And it takes about 5 minutes to install.

I was surprised at how easy the setup was.
So it beats installing a bunch of different plug-ins if you want to deviate frame the typical plugins most studios have.
That's why I'm trying to stick with mostly uad, and one or two other non-standard plugins. But that's it.

[Airon]

Originally Posted by brandoncross

Wave arts multi dynamics is way better than the c4. Only rtas at this time tho.

I tested this one on a bunch of field recordings a few years ago. Very clean, and very easy to use after a few minutes. Might go and give it a spin again. The Wavearts stuff was clean and a pleasure to operate.

[Airon]

Originally Posted by danijel

Just for the record, iZotope has a multiband compressor too, and I mostly just use two bands to tame the mids on TV shows when necessary.
OT: is anyone using multiband as an insert on dialog, or even instead of regular compressors? I haven't considered/tried that in a long time.....

So far I discarded multibands for overall voice compression, because it just takes too long to setup. For very quick mixes I might slap it in to the dia bus, but it's usually a denoiser-type of thing, or catching irritating non-narrow stuff.

Still using my RComp in opto mode for compression.

For deessers it heavily depends on the material. I'm currently mixing a Youtube show (TF2 Top10 Plays of the month) in my spare time, and the VO performer has his annoying stuff at 8-12k, which is a first for me. I had to resort to pre-eq, two deessers before a comp. Part of this is due to his mic (USB Snowball), and his voice does the rest.

The Brainworx dynamic EQ sounds interesting. The Sonnox Suppressor is actually a dynamic EQ as well but with some specialized controls geared towards de-essing quickly. The fun with the Suppresor comes with the enormous range it can cover, so it may be the one-plugin fix for stuff like a VO performer mentioned above.

[philper]

1 vote for Wavearts MD as noise reduction tool--poor man's DNS 1000 etc. I use it with a little bit of regular compression on DX. MD isn't a bad de-esser either. Spitfish works well and is cheap. The only Waves thing I really haven't been able to find an exact sub for is RenBass (not MaxxBass), although BV2 is close.

phil p

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by philper

The only Waves thing I really haven't been able to find an exact sub for is RenBass (not MaxxBass), although BV2 is close.

phil p

Check out lowender.

[ErikG]

Lowender is great, but does not do at all the same ting as RenBass.
RenBass and MaxBass both work increasing percieved bottom end by adding higher frequency content to the lowest frequencies.
Lowender synthesises additional material below the original lowest frequency.
The waves version of lowender is loair.

[Henchman]

See, it's all taste isn't it. Renbass and Maxbass never did it for me.
I use lowender on a send that just goes to the sub.

[philper]

Originally Posted by Henchman

See, it's all taste isn't it. Renbass and Maxbass never did it for me.
I use lowender on a send that just goes to the sub.

Me too for Lowender--works great for LFE. I don't use RenBass that way at all.
I mostly use it to beef up library music (that wasn't composed with dialog in mind) that has to play under dialog without wimping out--works really well for that.

phil p