13th June 2012
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#1 | | Gear addict
Joined: Nov 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA Thread Starter  | TC Electronic LM2 Loudness Meter (AAX!)
Just got an email today from TC about their LM2 stereo loudness meter (with their Radar display). It will run as an AAX native, and it looks like they're running an intro deal for $99 until the end of the month. If you're looking for a stereo metering plugin (as I am), this could be a strong contender. TC Electronic | LM2 Radar Loudness Meter | 
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13th June 2012
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#2 | | Gear Head
Joined: Mar 2008 Location: Berlin, Germany
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Looks interesting!
Anybody tried its performance yet?
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21st June 2012
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#3 | | Gear Head
Joined: Mar 2008 Location: Berlin, Germany
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just tried the demo and it doesn't work with PT, I get "try increase buffer" with even 1024 size on an 8-core Macpro.
Anybody got it working?
PT 10.2
10.7.2
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21st June 2012
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#4 | | Moderator
Joined: Dec 2006 Location: NY NY |
just purchased it.. wanted a plug in like this... doesn't work.
OSX 10.6.8 PT 10 LE... just works for a sec or two and the audio starts glitching heavily or hangs completely.
I tried all the usual things.. didn't help.
hope they get it fixed.
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21st June 2012
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#5 | | Gear addict
Joined: Nov 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA Thread Starter |
I've been playing with the demo, PT 10.2 on OS X 10.7.4, and haven't run into any major issues aside from the outer meter ring not working. I'll keep banging on it.
FWIW, I'm on an i7 MacBook Pro.
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21st June 2012
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#6 | | Gear Head
Joined: Mar 2008 Location: Berlin, Germany
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As an update, it works much better on my Macpro 1.1 Quad, 10.6.8 than on the 8-core I tried today. But the outer ring also not worked...
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21st June 2012
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#7 | | Gear Head
Joined: Mar 2008 Location: Berlin, Germany
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found something out:
they must have recently put up version 1.0.1, it has the ring (momentary loudness) working but also a horrible performance.
the original LM v1.0 I installed on my Macpro 1.1 performs well enough.
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21st June 2012
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#8 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Mar 2007 Location: West Coast
Posts: 1,941
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Just downloaded it... doesn't work here either (PT 10.2, Mac Pro 5,1) anyone contact TC? I don't really want to create an account to find out what's going on.
The performance, or lack thereof, really makes me worry what would happen with the LM6! Yikes.
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21st June 2012
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#9 | | Moderator
Joined: Dec 2006 Location: NY NY |
i put in a call.... but just a canned email response.
cheers
geo
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21st June 2012
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#10 | | Gear interested
Joined: May 2009
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Use Nugen Audio's VisLM - just plain works!
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21st June 2012
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#11 | | Gear addict
Joined: Nov 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by mikerophonics  Use Nugen Audio's VisLM - just plain works! | I played with it for a bit, but sometimes the readings didn't agree with WLM or Vmeters. There's always the possibility that I set it up wrong, but still...
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22nd June 2012
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#12 | | Moderator
Joined: Dec 2006 Location: NY NY |
I'm chatting with TC over this. if you send me all the specifics of your configurations, I'll including those in the troubleshooting calls.
cheers
geo
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22nd June 2012
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#13 | | Moderator
Joined: Dec 2006 Location: NY NY |
FROM TC ELECTRONICS
We are aware of performance issues on PT 10(.2) and LM2 AAX format.
Our development team is currently working on a solution.
WORKAROUND:
Please remove the AAX plug-in component (LM2.aaxplugin) from the PLUG-INS folder ( MacHD>Library>App Support>Avid>Audio)
to force PT to open LM2 as RTAS plug-in.
this worked for my system.
cheers
geo
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24th June 2012
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#14 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Mar 2007 Location: West Coast
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Thanks for this - I'll give it a try and report back... I've gotten in to the habit of not installing RTAS versions if AAX exists so I'll have to re-install
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26th June 2012
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#15 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Mar 2007 Location: West Coast
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UPDATE: Re-installed the RTAS and it works great.
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26th June 2012
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#16 | | Gear interested
Joined: May 2009
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Originally Posted by insomaniac I played with it for a bit, but sometimes the readings didn't agree with WLM or Vmeters. There's always the possibility that I set it up wrong, but still... | Nugen are part of the committee who run the loudness R128 in Europe (PLoud). They are THE experts at this game and their loudness meter is top drawer. With the greatest of respect I suspect you may have encountered finger trouble (digititus).
Cheers
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26th June 2012
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#17 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Mar 2007 Location: West Coast
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Checked against LM100 and WLM and it was dead accurate with them both... the ballistics are a bit different but they settled at the same numbers.
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27th June 2012
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#18 | | Gear Head
Joined: Mar 2009 Location: Los Angeles |
$599 for the 5.1 version?!
Any reason (besides the fancy "radar" display) to get it over the VMeter for $129?
Besides AAX (which doesn't work) http://www.vsonics.com/vmeters.php | |
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27th June 2012
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#19 | | Gear Head
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 71
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Originally Posted by JohnOmix Any reason (besides the fancy "radar" display) to get it over the VMeter for $129? | Depends on whether you need to produce mixes compliant with the EBU R128 specification. According to the web page you linked to The VMeter is only compliant with the ATSC A85 spec not R128.
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27th June 2012
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#20 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Mar 2007 Location: West Coast
Posts: 1,941
| Shootout
WLM vs. LM2 vs. VMeter vs. Dolby LM100 HW (not pictured)
Source - questionable offline stereo "mix" of the show I'm working on, duplicated 4 times (each with it's own meter, one with no meter routed to my LM100 with the latest ITU compliant software) each meter set to it's broadcast/post/whatevertheycallit preset - I added a short term loudness meter to the VMeter and some of their focusrite looking VUs for fun.
Basically, they all seem to agree with each other... the whole number vs. decimal and the ballistics can mess with your head watching all of them but, ultimately, they all get the job done.
The VMeter is cheap, cool, can do other things (VU, Nordic, PPM...) but doesn't do loudness range, LUs and isn't EBU compliant. Does up to 7.1 for it's low-low price
The Radar on the LM2 is a really handy mixing tool since you don't get a LM100 style graph vs. timecode with any of the software (although you could use the csv file from WLM to make your own) - no logging in the 2 channel version, no multichannel unless you buy the LM6
The WLM has the best logging and a cool automation lane over warning - quick cheat for fixing problems but there are the usual waves complaints people will bring up - price, WUP, etc. it does surround, but only up to 5.1
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