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Old 10th June 2012   #1
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Speech and Sounds recorded on set, what can I do?

I've just been offered my first job in the post-production area, an area I've always been interested in but unsure of how to enter it. Although I haven't received the material I'll be working on yet, I'm hoping to get some insight in advance. I understand it's hard to offer solutions without seeing or hearing the issues I'm dealing with, but I already have some idea of what they are.

The work is for a new web-series filmed where I study in Cardiff by a new director, which may explain where some of the vagueness is coming from. I don't know much about the show, other than it's pretty low budget. From briefly speaking to the director, we're having a meeting about the project on Wednesday, it appears no firm action was taken regarding the sound recording other than capturing the speech of the actors and actresses involved. I have been told that there are problems with environmental noise in general, and an unbalance of noise levels between scenes and characters speech.

So before I begin working on this, I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice or tips as to how issues like this are often treated? I'll be using either Logic or Pro Tools for this.

Apologies for the 'noob-ness' of this post

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I would advise using Pro Tools. And it seems you'll need to do some noise reduction or possibly ADR. As this is low budget, I doubt you'll have the budget or time for ADR.

There's loads of information on this forum, and basically what you're asking is 'How do I do Post?' - It's too vague for concrete answers! There's tons of info on here. Read the stickies first, and then plough through everything and read read read.

Has this web series been shot yet? Make best friends with a kick-ass location recordist and make sure he's in on the loop from day 1.

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There won't be any ADR as far as I know, there is already music scored and recorded. I'll maybe discuss ADR at the meeting, although I'm not in Cardiff for long.

This wasn't so much a post asking "How do I do post-prod?", more along the lines of if there is a standard practice to approach this kind of thing. Like I said, totally new to this area of work but I appreciate the feedback.

As far as location recording engineers go I'll be a fair distance away as I'm moving home, although I think the whole audio capturing aspect of the series has been overlooked
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This wasn't so much a post asking "How do I do post-prod?", more along the lines of if there is a standard practice to approach this kind of thing. Like I said, totally new to this area of work but I appreciate the feedback.

You might want to look at these books:

Dialogue Editing for Motion Pictures: A Guide to the Invisible Art: Amazon.de: John Purcell: Englische B

Amazon.com: Practical Art of Motion Picture Sound, Fourth Edition (9780240812403): David Lewis Yewdall MPSE: Books


There“s pretty much everything covered for the beginner and intermediate in audio post. And a fun and entertaining read they are too. Highly recommended..
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OK, the standard practice would be to use get an AAF or OMF from the editors to import in Pro Tools. Ask for handles, you are going to need them. You would then organize the audiofiles from that AAF/OMF in a way that is logical, easy to navigate and helps you deliver the endresult(s) in the most time-effective way. This usually involves creating busses, auxes, re-recording tracks and masters. If setup correct this will help you monitor foodgroups like dialogue, atmos, fx, foley, music and make for efficient bouncing of full mix, M&E, downmixes and altversions in the end.

It also allows you to use compressors and limiters on those groups, so you can treat each one individually and appropriate.

Assuming you know the delivery-specs and have calibrated your monitors, you would then start to work on the dialogue, de-noise, de-clip, de-crackle what's needed, notch out resonances, hums, whines, roll of excessive lows/highs, boost where needed, de-ess where needed etc. Clean up bad edits by nudging the editpoints, or inserting room tone from the handles or where-ever you can find it. Level all of the dialogue roughly and smooth out all the transitions. This can mean adding noise to a clean shot to match it to a dirtier one that can't be denoised without artifacts.

Add atmos, hard FX, foley and roughly balance them to the dialogue. Add music and roughly balance them to the dialogue.

Sit down with the director and mix, when he/she is happy, you're done. If you did the job right, the whole thing is still within spec, ready to be bounced to whatever is needed.

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Some great advice here, thank you. I'll be finding out what files are available to me on Wednesday. Hopefully the quality of the captures aren't so bad, I know the director stated that's all they were expecting to use. I've done a bit of foley work for animation, although no mention of that yet. Would you advise recording some long lengths of room tones and outdoor ambiences to smooth the corrections out?

I'll check those books out too, thank you for the recommendation.

I'm pretty confident with noise reduction and correction from previous band projects, fingers crossed I can get to grips with this.

Thanks again guys.
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Pethenis, I think that's one of the best posts I've ever read on this forum
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It's hard to give any real useful feedback, without hearing what the problems are.
Ive said this before. A lot of people think that major broadcast series are recorded with pristine sound, when nothing could be further from the truth. Every show I've worked on has audio issues.
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Im having the meeting in a few hours, I have a feeling it's just going to be a stereo movie file if I get given the material today.

I'll try and upload examples later if there's any success.
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Also, check out Izotope RX2.
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