2nd May 2012
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#1 | | Gear addict
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 300
Thread Starter  | Channel layout discussion.
Hello all!
A fellow post-ie and i were having a discussion the other day about the different ways people organize their sessions/channel layout. What we came to the conclusion of is: it's a very personal thing, there really is no wrong way.
People put verbs after the tracks they effect, others group them all together, even choosing where on the board to place them (left or right side). some use VCA's others don't. some like their stem masters grouped together, others prefer them next to their respective tracts. some break their FX and BG's into different pre's or stems. others route all of their tracts to a single fx or BG aux.... the list goes on
So, i'd love to hear what you all have to say on the matter: How do you have your sessions laid out? What's your philosophy behind it?
How and, perhaps more importantly, why do you lay out your tracks the way you do?
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2nd May 2012
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#2 | | Gear Guru
Joined: Jan 2004 Location: out in the dirt.
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I would say the best thing to do is to be in consultation with your re-recording mixer.
the one thing I have recently taken to heart was a conversation I had with Will Files at Skywalker Sound regarding Mono vs multi-channel tracks though- we both feel that working with mono tracks tends to be more flexible when dealing with sounds that might not have equal energy where balancing one side against the other is an issue- with mono tracks its easier to manage those balance issues in general.
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2nd May 2012
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#3 | | Gear addict
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 300
Thread Starter |
Charles-
I have spoken to a few. Tom Fleischman, Ron Bocar, and others. Plus I have my own ideas.
My aim in this thread was more of a round table discussion, just to see what all are doing, learn and adapt etc.
This is as much a philosophical, a mindset if you will, discussion.
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2nd May 2012
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#4 | | Gear Head
Joined: Mar 2009 Location: Los Angeles |
For post I do fx/subgroups/master-outs/record-tracks to the right (or down in the edit window). And video between the audio tracks and subgroups, tho I'll leave it at the top if I jump into someone else's mix.
For music I do it the other way (subs right after their audio tracks).
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3rd May 2012
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#5 | | Gear addict
Joined: Feb 2007
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In my latest template I have:
food group tracks -> food group master aux -> food group print track
rinse repeat
not sure if its the best method, but its where I'm at right now.
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4th May 2012
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#6 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles
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I like my re record tracks on top, or far left, then subs, then DX reverb aux, DX tracks( with Cedar and Cat 43 rerecord tracks last), ADR reverb aux, ADR tracks, X-tracks, MX reverb auxs, MX tracks, FX reverb aux, FX tracks, BG tracks, LFE tracks. All color coded. That's my general set up.
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6th May 2012
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#7 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Feb 2007 Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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From top to bottom a general setup i like would be:
Video and original guide
AAF deactivated
ADR
Dia
Xtracks
Dia processed (phones etc)
Walla/loop
Main char foley (feet/props/cloth)
Support char foley (feet/props/cloth)
Extras foley
Afx Primary fx (actions)
Bfx Secondary fx (result of actions)
Cfx Transport (cars, bikes, boats etc)
Dfx Ambient fx (mood/design sounds)
Aatm Atmosphere A INT
Batm Atmosphere B EXT
Catm Atmosphere C (additional)
[ I don't use int/ext 100% often I just use it for scene checkerboarding]
MxA Score A
mxB Score B
MxC Score C (etc depends on need)
MxD Commercial music
MxX Processed music (radio etc)
Groups
Fx returns
Stems
I'll often have the reverbs adjacent to the food groups when editing, but during mixing I'll have them all together at the bottom/right just before the stems.
That's my "basic" setup. It can vary wildly depending on type of project and the actual work role I have.
When just cutting effects or dialogue it will obviously not contain all the above.
Some projects will have many food groups and plenty of separation and lots of fx returns. Some way less.
On large projects the above is to much for one system to handle.
The load is not really the number of tracks needed (Nuendo with an SSD can handle a LOT of tracks), but the processing.
How we split it will differ. But we mainly run two or three systems while mixing for films. We don't really have fix rigs in the mix room a la Hollywood. We have the fixes done outside of the mix rooms most of the time. With Nuendo we can use the brilliant network feature for handling fixes. It's a lot smoother than having to import session data for each fix.
For TV we try to keep it in one project.
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7th May 2012
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#8 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by soundboy  I like my re record tracks on top, or far left, then subs, then DX reverb aux, DX tracks( with Cedar and Cat 43 rerecord tracks last), ADR reverb aux, ADR tracks, X-tracks, MX reverb auxs, MX tracks, FX reverb aux, FX tracks, BG tracks, LFE tracks. All color coded. That's my general set up. | Ha! for got my Foley tracks! After the FX tracks please.
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