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Dialog Editing: tutorial on reducing mouth noises and plosives using RX2

Didn't know that DeClicking tools can be used on mouth noises..... In fact, I've only ever used the RX2 DeClick to repair mechanical/digital recording clicks......

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BTW, does anyone feel like RX2 DeCrackler can't over-work the dialog? Whenever I have the tiniest lav rustle, I apply my DeCrackler 'STUN' preset (which is Quality=High, Strength=5, Skew=-10) on the whole clip, and it cleans most lav rustle and other shit without ever affecting any nuance of the dialog - I'm constantly tempted to apply the preset to ALL the production dialog on a project before I even start editing, but I'm too scared to do such a thing.... I always try to A/B 'before' and 'after' DeCrackler and expect to hear at least some sibilants screwed, but never found any.....
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Yes, i always use it for mouth clicks. Reducing too strong "p, t, k"s at word beginnings. If necessary you can get rid of footsteps in production sound with "De-Click, multiband, max", which literally erases all transients.... Only for microscopic cleaning I still us NoNoise manual declicking...

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I'm consistently impressed with all of the RX plugins, but especially the DeCrackler and the DeClipper.
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If necessary you can get rid of footsteps in production sound with "De-Click, multiband, max", which literally erases all transients....
Wow, thanks, now I've learned two killer tips in one day
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Cool! Can't wait to use it for this.

Wish they made an 'acting filter', too....
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I once used the "Replace" feature in the Spectral Repair to fully remove a line of dialog to replace it with ADR. Worked wonders, especially given the lack of any tone material. Probably one of the best purchases I've made.
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I would kill myself if I had to go thru 10 seconds of dx at a time looking for clicks and pops. That software is badass and I love it to death but I really wish spectral repair could grab more audio.
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Cool! Can't wait to use it for this.

Wish they made an 'acting filter', too....
With a "more feeling" slider
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With a "more feeling" slider
Or a 'more talent' checkbox.
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I would kill myself if I had to go thru 10 seconds of dx at a time looking for clicks and pops. That software is badass and I love it to death but I really wish spectral repair could grab more audio.
If I have to work something very long I just boot it up in stand alone mode, do my business and then reimport into PT.
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It would be cool to have something like the wns from izotope!
With all their plugins they have the technology together I guess.
And I would trust it more....
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They have one but it's hardware. The ANR-B.
But yeah, a software version would be cool!
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Never Seen that before!
It would also need to work in multiple bands. So with this multiband slider aproach like cedar or wns. If they did they would sell a lot I guess.
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The spectral repair's replace replace setting is great for fixing dropouts. I've been working on a bunch of reality shows and ADR is not an option so RX is a lifesaver. Worth every penny.
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I would kill myself if I had to go thru 10 seconds of dx at a time looking for clicks and pops. That software is badass and I love it to death but I really wish spectral repair could grab more audio.
The standalone version can process any length.
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I would kill myself if I had to go thru 10 seconds of dx at a time looking for clicks and pops. That software is badass and I love it to death but I really wish spectral repair could grab more audio.
A few people had mentioned ways around this, and it's really easy. All you need to do is consolidate what you need to work on (I'd recommend making a duplicate playlist in case you need to go back to the un-consolidated originals), close the session, open up RX standalone, do your processing, then simply save in RX (with the same name) and reopen the session. The overview will be recalculated, but then the file is right there, in place and ready to go.

For huge segments that need Spectral, this has been a lifesaver.
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I would kill myself if I had to go thru 10 seconds of dx at a time looking for clicks and pops.

this is what i get paid to do! lol.
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It would be cool to have something like the wns from izotope!
At least a couple of us have already requested this from Izotope but I'm sure another voice can only help. Drop them an email! :-)

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RX is a lifesaver. Worth every penny.
And a time saver, decrackler and declick are definitely in my Fav Fives.
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One thing Izotope Rx is excellent for is getting rid of whistling esses. De-essers don't work well on this particular type of sibilance, but Spectral Repair can surgically reduce and even remove it, as well as many other vocal anomalies. Spectral Repair is also often preferrable to the declicker or decrackler for taming problematic T's and K's, because you have more control over how to deal with the issue.

The declicker and decrackler work pretty well, but for mouth clicks that occur in the middle of words, I find that they can damage the dialog too much. When that is the case, I generally consolidate the area where the problem occurs in order to create a new audio file and then zoom in and use the pencil tool to draw out the click. The reason I consolidate is because the pencil tool destructively edits the file, so by creating a new file, if I screw up, I can always get back to the original.
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I've found some clicks and lip smacks that RX2 cannot deal with, so it's editing chops for those bits.

Calling up the plugins does take longer that that sometimes. Sometimes .

Would love a WNS/DNS type of plugin from them. Maybe they're already on it.
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RX2 has been saving loads of dialogue on the "Bomb Patrol: Afghanistan" series I'm working on for G4. Unfortunately I've had to go a little over the top on some noise reduction to appease the client, but it is still a ton better than the field recordings.

I run the declick and decrackle on every single clip that I process. As danijel stated earlier, I haven't found that it harms the dialogue at all. But, I am dealing with some horrible, horrible recordings.
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Are you all working with the advanced version, or the lighter one? Thoughts on the difference?
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Are you all working with the advanced version, or the lighter one? Thoughts on the difference?
I do not have the advanced version.
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I've found some clicks and lip smacks that RX2 cannot deal with, so it's editing chops for those bits.

Calling up the plugins does take longer that that sometimes. Sometimes .

Would love a WNS/DNS type of plugin from them. Maybe they're already on it.
I spent 20 years editing spoken word on analog tape. Became expert at removing mouth clicks and pops, and calibrating a DS-201 noise gate. Since moving to digital, there is so much more one can do - and RX2 does a lot fo the things we had to figure out mauall in the olden days. Love it! Got some new tips here, thanks.

Pardon though - what us wns/dns?
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Are you all working with the advanced version, or the lighter one? Thoughts on the difference?
There was some discussion on this question in another thread, try to search for it. I'm using the advanced version, but don't really know the differences :(
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Pardon though - what us wns/dns?
These are product names of products from Cedar (DNS) and Waves (WNS).

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Re: mouth clicks and crackles I tend to lean toward the Sonnox declicker, even for clothing rustle , lav noise
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BTW, does anyone feel like RX2 DeCrackler can't over-work the dialog? Whenever I have the tiniest lav rustle, I apply my DeCrackler 'STUN' preset (which is Quality=High, Strength=5, Skew=-10) on the whole clip, and it cleans most lav rustle and other shit without ever affecting any nuance of the dialog - I'm constantly tempted to apply the preset to ALL the production dialog on a project before I even start editing, but I'm too scared to do such a thing.... I always try to A/B 'before' and 'after' DeCrackler and expect to hear at least some sibilants screwed, but never found any.....
Danijel - thanks for the tip! It's just saved me an hour's worth of manual spectral repair. I had a few lines of dialogue suffering from an audible zipper clinking throughout - decided to run Decrackler with these exact settings and THE CLINKING IS GONE! It even seems to have cleaned up some subtle clothing rustle. Nice one!
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