Flux Elixir

[UnderTow]

Originally Posted by tom_lowe

Didn't think Ozone 5 was more than 2-channel?

I didn't see your question before Tom. You are right, it is just 2 channels. I'm using it for music mastering and stereo broadcast stuff. I'll add it to my suggestion list for the development team.

Alistair

[tom_lowe]

Originally Posted by UnderTow

I didn't see your question before Tom. You are right, it is just 2 channels. I'm using it for music mastering and stereo broadcast stuff. I'll add it to my suggestion list for the development team.

Alistair

I also prefer Ozone 5 over Elixir, just a shame it's 2 channel. Elixir I find is better than Ozone 4, but iZotope have made huge improvements, especially with the transparent mode.

Would love to see it as multi-channel!

[ggegan]

Originally Posted by Tmarks

I would suggest trying the ML1 from McDSP. They currently have a TDM and RTAS version with AAX coming this year. I use it as a bus limiter and run it multi-mono.

ML4000

Tom Marks, CAS

I have the Emerald TDM bundle in my personal collection of plugins. I'll give the ML1 another try, but I'm still in the market for an actual true peak limiter.

[danijel]

Originally Posted by ggegan

Using L1's to maintain a true peak of -3, I sometimes have to lower the threshold to -7 or -8 for gunshots and other big dynamic effects to compensate for overshoot, and that is too low - you hear the limiter too much, and backing off the source level sounds anemic.

You didn't mention - how does the Flux hold up in such situations? Do you get louder/cleaner at -3 true peak than the L1 set to -7 or -8?

[ggegan]

Originally Posted by danijel

You didn't mention - how does the Flux hold up in such situations? Do you get louder/cleaner at -3 true peak than the L1 set to -7 or -8?

Elixir holds up pretty nicely. I don't hear as much of a ducking effect, and it's really pretty clean unless you go way overboard and hit it much too hard. It isn't really about how loud I can get, it's whether I can get a full sound without hearing the limiter kicking in. I can get plenty loud using the L1, but it sounds squished when I push the level into it in order to get past the peak to the meat of the sound.

Just an update on the McDSP ML1, I have to set it at -6 in order to restrain the true peak to -3, just like the L1. It isn't very effective at limiting the inter-sample peak unless you set it significantly lower than the true peak spec.

[Tmarks]

Which mode on the ML1 are you using Gary?

Tom

[ggegan]

Originally Posted by Tmarks

Which mode on the ML1 are you using Gary?

Tom

I tried clean and loud.

On the Cakewalk Concrete web page there is an interesting explanation of why conventional limiter plugins fail to limit the inter-sample peak to the nominal threshold set on the plugin. According to my understanding, conventional limiter plugins determine the peak to be limited by measuring at the sample, but the converter output is determined by interpolating where the waveform should be in between the samples, and at peaks, this is actually higher than the level at the sample. That would explain why oversampling is more effective at describing the actual output peak that needs to be limited more accurately.

Cakewalk - ProChannel Concrete Limiter

[UnderTow]

Originally Posted by ggegan

On the Cakewalk Concrete web page there is an interesting explanation of why conventional limiter plugins fail to limit the inter-sample peak to the nominal threshold set on the plugin. According to my understanding, conventional limiter plugins determine the peak to be limited by measuring at the sample, but the converter output is determined by interpolating where the waveform should be in between the samples, and at peaks, this is actually higher than the level at the sample. That would explain why oversampling is more effective at describing the actual output peak that needs to be limited more accurately.

Cakewalk - ProChannel Concrete Limiter

For anyone interested in inter-sample peaks (and some general info on digital audio), see the second post in this thread: Digital Audio and Sampling Rates

There is an example there of a signal that is below 0 dB FS but peaks at the equivalent of nearly 7 dB FS when reconstructed.

Alistair (who needs to finish the series...)

[tom_lowe]

Originally Posted by UnderTow

For anyone interested in inter-sample peaks (and some general info on digital audio), see the second post in this thread: Digital Audio and Sampling Rates

There is an example there of a signal that is below 0 dB FS but peaks at the equivalent of nearly 7 dB FS when reconstructed.

Alistair (who needs to finish the series...)

Goes to show how much True Peak is really needed. If dBFS is that useless at measuring, it really makes PPM look pathetic.