Re-Syncing and I'm overwhlemed!

[philper]

Originally Posted by j.dixon

Hello all,
Over the past couple o months I've been working on my 1st feature. Its had its up and downs (mostly downs) but overall its been a good experience and a good challenge.
My biggest challenge came today however, when the director/editor sent me over a new "fine" cut of the picture and a brand new OMF.
I was expecting this, as he had changed it multiple times before. So now the film is 15 minutes shorter, with little cuts on many different scenes.

My question is: What in ya'lls experience, is the best way to preserve all of my prior work (months) and get them in sync with the new pic. Most importantly my dialogue and sync tracks. I think I can manage cutting up all of my backgrounds and foley to sync.

-Is there anything I can ask of the editor that will help me?
-I just printed stems from the original session, I was thinking that may help getting all of my edits to sync but when I import the stems I realize how many tiny edits were made and I instantly become overwhelmed.

I'm beginning to think I should just start over with the whole edit.
Any suggestions would be helpful.
(btw, this is unpaid so feel free to tell me to tell him to find a new sound editor)

How many changes, and how gnarly? Often it's just faster to manually make changes if there aren't a lot of them. Put up the new video and hack away. Otherwise, change notes, and conforming apps--lots of threads here already about those.

phil p

[cananball]

Try EdiTrace. If you get a new EDL for each reel and it will trace it against the old EDL and then it will reconform each session. It is $21 per trace so a 5 reel picture would cost only $105 but for only $150 you get unlimited traces for the month. It could save you a lot of headaches

EdiTrace - Overview

[charles maynes]

conformer.... $99.


Conformer!

[cananball]

Originally Posted by charles maynes

conformer.... $99.


Conformer!

I'm a PC Guy so no go on conformer If you are too check out editrace

[Matti]

The Little Conformer
Haven' t used it but might be good for this if on PC

Matti

[Steven1145]

Maybe find a post studio running Virtual Katy. For a price they could do the conform for you.
Otherwise generate the change EDL on the Editrace website (we used it a lot at one point, and Mark Franken is great at helping out), and conform by hand.

In any case do not start trying to re-edit the new OMF. This is something that asks for a re-conform of your existing projects.

[Jfriah]

For all this software, you need to first have an assistant editor who knows the process and is giving you proper EDLs and change lists. That alone, I have found, to be quite time consuming...


(one of the) Best tool in a sound person's arsenal: a good assistant picture editor.

Jeff

[j.dixon]

Thanks for the great suggestions. I'm still waiting to hear back from the editor. Hopefully he can hook me up with the EDL's.

I'll keep you all updated once I find my solution.

[FullFrequency]

Before I had VK I used to import the new video into the session, just above the old video, and then i would match the old video to the new one by cutting to it, making sure I region grouped the whole sound edit first. Sometime laborious, sometimes easy, but it worked. We were charging for the time too, so that in itself bought VK for us...

[j.dixon]

Originally Posted by FullFrequency

Before I had VK I used to import the new video into the session, just above the old video, and then i would match the old video to the new one by cutting to it, making sure I region grouped the whole sound edit first. Sometime laborious, sometimes easy, but it worked. We were charging for the time too, so that in itself bought VK for us...

That is how I dealt with the previous changes in the pic lock. Now it seems that there are too many cuts here and there for it to be possible. It could definitely be done but like I said, I'm not getting paid, so I'm thinking its in my best interest to use some sort of auto-conform app. because my time could be better spent elsewhere

[thebryanparker]

Originally Posted by FullFrequency

Before I had VK I used to import the new video into the session, just above the old video, and then i would match the old video to the new one by cutting to it, making sure I region grouped the whole sound edit first. Sometime laborious, sometimes easy, but it worked. We were charging for the time too, so that in itself bought VK for us...

I use this approach but I use the scratch reference audio for each. That way you can look at the waveforms and line up scratch-to-scratch pretty easily, even for a lot of small cuts. For complicated changes beyond simple pull-ups you can pull in each OMF as well and look for visual patterns in the regions. Group all old material together. Stay in Grid mode always.

I'd definitely recommend conforming the entire sessions with the stems, because you'll want the flexibility to change EQ and compression if they are going to change music cues or remove some entirely, etc.

I used to do this for mixers while they were still working on the old version of a show. I'd take a couple of hours to go through and make change notes using just the guides and OMFs and prep a complete list of (alt-H) moves, then when they were at lunch, drop in and perform all the changes in their mix session in about 20-30 minutes. Less room for error on the big session that way.

For most cases, I actually prefer this method over using any autoconformer. For pulling from different reels, especially if the order between some scenes on different reels has changed, you may want to pursue VK or something similar.

[stangroom]

Has anyone successfully used EdiTrace or Conformer with ProTools 9?

[maggot]

conformalizer works fine with PT9.
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