Car interior verb automation hell

Jfriah · 30th June 2010

Here's a practical question for you folks;

Probably the most int/ext cuts on a car interior (you know, the inside perspective then back out through the windshield obviously outside the vehicle) I've ever faced on a current project.

How do you folks approach verb (5.1 show, natch) in situations like that? Ditch it? Keep it across the fronts only? It would sound like 'patooee' to go bopping back and forth on the full surround verb. Keep it 'subtly' in all speakers? Can't see that happening...

My tendency right now is leaning toward: surround verb? what surround verb? It's a car interior, not a hockey arena.

Thanks.
Jeff

Henchman · 30th June 2010

No surround verb at all.
Mono, straight up the center for me.

Brent Hahn · 30th June 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henchman

No surround verb at all.
Mono, straight up the center for me.

What he said. Serve the story.

georgia · 30th June 2010

yup.. right up the middle... don't draw attention to cuts and don't pull audience out suspended disbelief.... keep it simple.

cheers
geo

Sonsey@mac.com · 30th June 2010

Another vote for mono... Unless of course your director is insisting...

As far as verb... TLSpace has some decent car impulses - I used them on the last feature I did, since the interior stuff was largely ADR...worked great.

Jfriah · 30th June 2010

Thanks, folks. That's what I figured would be the response. K.I.S.S.
And, yes, S.T.S. Brent. Correct.

Howard--I'm a TLSpace *****...
(apparently I can't say W-H-O-R-E)
those guys have done it up right. And because of the K.I.S.S. theory, I'm always in favour of IR's that show nice little picture (love the one of the mic in a metal wash bucket. Used that one yesterday for a character screaming inside a blast furnace...hahaha)

Movin' on but by all means, if others have stuff to add/debate; that's what the thread is for!

Jeff

p.s. Howard, your 'canna change the laws of physics'...oh man if clients were only on board with that, hahaha

Sonsey@mac.com · 30th June 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jfriah

p.s. Howard, your 'canna change the laws of physics'...oh man if clients were only on board with that, hahaha

My other favourite Scotty quote for post...

"Ya didna tell him how long it would REALLY take, did you!!???"

thermisonic · 1st July 2010

I had a similar scene recently, but the characters were listening to some loud music through the car stereo as well as dialogue. The director is a big fan of 5.1, but for me panning the music+car verb in the surrounds was pulling me straight out of the scene.

Despite the director wanting it big and wide, after a few playbacks and some discussion we settled on centre speaker with a little extra width for the music and no surrounds.

Rob Walker

30th June 2010	#1
Jfriah Lives for gear Joined: Feb 2009 Location: C,Eh,N,Eh,D,Eh? "Sorry!" Posts: 1,669 Thread Starter	Car interior verb automation hell Here's a practical question for you folks; Probably the most int/ext cuts on a car interior (you know, the inside perspective then back out through the windshield obviously outside the vehicle) I've ever faced on a current project. How do you folks approach verb (5.1 show, natch) in situations like that? Ditch it? Keep it across the fronts only? It would sound like 'patooee' to go bopping back and forth on the full surround verb. Keep it 'subtly' in all speakers? Can't see that happening... My tendency right now is leaning toward: surround verb? what surround verb? It's a car interior, not a hockey arena. Thanks. Jeff __________________ "I'm not saving lives, I'm helping to put something up there on a screen for people to glance at between text messages." - Me. Partials: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0358864/

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georgia Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2006 Location: NY NY Posts: 1,331	yup.. right up the middle... don't draw attention to cuts and don't pull audience out suspended disbelief.... keep it simple. cheers geo __________________ ms georgia hilton mpe(editor) mpse cas NY NY http://www.filmdoctors.com http://www.hiltonmediamanagement.com http://www.hmmproductions.com http://www.editingtruck.com http://www.stage32.com/profile/6569/georgia-hilton http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0385255/resume MEMBER: IATSE LOCAL 700

30th June 2010	#5
Sonsey@mac.com Gear addict Joined: Apr 2008 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 377	Another vote for mono... Unless of course your director is insisting... As far as verb... TLSpace has some decent car impulses - I used them on the last feature I did, since the interior stuff was largely ADR...worked great. __________________ Howard Sonnenburg Composer/Sound Designer/Engineer/Gadabout www.sonsey.com "Nice Camera... how's the f#$%ing script?" - Adrian Langley

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Henchman Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: LA, USA Posts: 6,836	No surround verb at all. Mono, straight up the center for me.

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thermisonic Gear Head Joined: Mar 2009 Location: UK Posts: 59	I had a similar scene recently, but the characters were listening to some loud music through the car stereo as well as dialogue. The director is a big fan of 5.1, but for me panning the music+car verb in the surrounds was pulling me straight out of the scene. Despite the director wanting it big and wide, after a few playbacks and some discussion we settled on centre speaker with a little extra width for the music and no surrounds. Rob Walker