Is Pro Tools 8 acceptable on the dubbing stage?

[breaktheory]

I have my first union show coming up at Todd AO and I've switched from Logic to PT8 - I've now been told that the "industry" is still using 7 and PT sessions done in 8 will be a problem once it comes time to go online and mix?

Anyone care to comment?

Thanks!

[Etch-A-Sketch]

you'll lose some of the v8 specific features within the PT session (like 10 inserts, etc).

But it isn't that big of a deal. I go back and forth between v8 and v7 all the time.

and yes... from what I've seen most dub stages are still on v7.2 or v7.4.

[cjguitar]

We're on PT8, but I know that we're probably the exception in the industry. We've been on it for over a year now, and we can't live without some of it's features, expecially Satellite Link.

The Dub Stage

[Rick Sanchez]

Should not be too much of a problem. Just do a save a copy as 7.x and it will tell you what features you might lose in translation. Chances are you won't lose anything.

[breaktheory]

With any luck I'll be bringing my own rig - can I go online with my PT 8 session if the recordist and other editors are running 7.4?

8 really does has some great features especially since I use so much midi not to mention 7 crashes quite a bit on my snow leopard machine.

Thanks for all the quick responses!

[dr.sound]

Call ahead to Todd and ask them if it is a problem. It shouldn't be, but they aren't know for leading the pack.
The "industry" varies from place to place but as Chris said
we at "The Dub Stage" have been on PT before it came out and we couldn't work without it. It is rock solid!

[Berolzheimer]

We're mixing Inception with 11 systems running PT8 for Dialog, Foley & FX, & a bunch more systems for music- I don't know the exact number- so, yes.

[Berolzheimer]

If you're bringing your system, be sure to get paid rental for it. It's important to all of us to be careful of the precedents we set, and that we don't devalue ourselves & our gear.

[thierryd]

We move between PT8 and PT7 all the time and overall it's no problem.
Just be aware that PT8 writes 16bit resolution waveforms and PT up till v7 wrote 8bit resolution. The result is that your Audio Files will have their date updated once you move between PT versions.
For backup strategies this can be a pain.

The other problem between PT7 and 8 is that configuration window setups are not compatible. PT8 will have different ruler layouts in the edit window and different mix window layouts, so if you use this feature a lot, it can be troublesome moving between PT versions.

And lastly I've had problems with digi's EQIII, that have been documented in the DUC and might have to do with TDM/RTAS differences between PT7/8 versions (although it's unclear).

Greetings,

Thierry

[JSt0rm]

I was over at the carry grant and they were running 8...

[Mundox]

Originally Posted by breaktheory

to mention 7 crashes quite a bit on my snow leopard machine.

How do you even run 7 on SL?

[breaktheory]

thanks so much for the knowledge guys!!

You all mention moving back and forth between the 2 versions- is this only for the purpose of migrating to foreign systems?

[breaktheory]

Originally Posted by Mundox

How do you even run 7 on SL?

It isn't supported but it runs on my mac pro. That said, I don't think I've gone two hours without a crash.

[smurfyou]

Originally Posted by breaktheory

thanks so much for the knowledge guys!!

You all mention moving back and forth between the 2 versions- is this only for the purpose of migrating to foreign systems?

Yes, and for instance moving between desktop and laptop systems with different OS versions.

[Berolzheimer]

Originally Posted by thierryd

We move between PT8 and PT7 all the time and overall it's no problem.
Just be aware that PT8 writes 16bit resolution waveforms and PT up till v7 wrote 8bit resolution. The result is that your Audio Files will have their date updated once you move between PT versions.
For backup strategies this can be a pain.

The other problem between PT7 and 8 is that configuration window setups are not compatible. PT8 will have different ruler layouts in the edit window and different mix window layouts, so if you use this feature a lot, it can be troublesome moving between PT versions.

And lastly I've had problems with digi's EQIII, that have been documented in the DUC and might have to do with TDM/RTAS differences between PT7/8 versions (although it's unclear).

Greetings,

Thierry

I've heard about some compatibility issues with EQ3 & maybe the compressor as well, going back & forth between 7 & 8. I don't remember the details.

[Jfriah]

Originally Posted by dr.sound

we at "The Dub Stage" have been on PT before it came out and we couldn't work without it. It is rock solid!

Care to elaborate on that, Marti? That's a strong statement.
Are you referring to 8 specifically?
Which computers?
Which mac system? (ok, or PC...)

Because I've known a few people lately who have had trub-bullllls with it and have gone back to 7.

And, yes, if you're working in 8, do save a copy as 7 as a courtesy. I've opened 8 sessions in 7 (must finally be a nice backward compatibility thing) and it corrupted my preferences to the point where I couldn't open markers, time code window, or video window... a number of times.

Jeff

[ggegan]

I have been using 8.01cs2 on a Mac Pro Harpertown running Leopard for a while and it has been very reliable, in fact just as solid as 7.4. I have had no problem running 8.01 sessions on 7.4 systems, as long as I don't use too many inserts, which I never do. (Most of my tracks only use one insert for McDSP Channel G.)

I had to bail on 8.03 and from the reports, 8.04 appears to be buggy as well. Not sure if it's Pro Tools or Snow Leopard or both, but I'm not planning on upgrading to either until there is a compelling reason.

[charles maynes]

Originally Posted by breaktheory

It isn't supported but it runs on my mac pro. That said, I don't think I've gone two hours without a crash.

crashing every 2 hours is unacceptable in a professional setting. 8 crashes on me every 2 months or so- I am using 8.01cs2 on a G5 though-

[Eric L]

PT 8.0.3 still has that studdering video playback issue. You can work around it by installing QT 7 pro from the snow leopard disc, opening your vids in that, get movie properties and change the scaled size from the default of 0 (bug) to the actual size of the video. Then PT is able to play it reliably. Or so it seems.

The big draw back for me has nothing to do with PT. The mouseworks driver is not very good in snow leopard. Really bad when working in PT. There are other mouse drivers, but I can't find one that does chording. I rely heavily on having edit tools mapped to the mouse buttons.

Other than those two, nothing else seems to be a problem. But those two are big enough to keep our stages in PT 7.4.2. As soon as these issues are worked out, I look forward to upgrading.

Oh yeah, and there is also the Isotope RX bug that totally wiped out my first snow leopard room with PT 8. They sent me an email a month later warning me about it and included a terminal command to fix it, but by then I had to do a complete re-instal, so we went back to where we new it was safe.

[Jfriah]

a) mouseworks and chording
b) iZotope RX

Two reasons I'm a very happy user, then, of PT 7.2

Eric--are you on a trackball or multi-button mouse?

<------been a trackballer for about 13 years
(slightly O.T.)

What was the issue with iZo RX and snow leopard/PT8? Or is it searchable...

Jeff

[Geert van den Berg]

Originally Posted by Eric L

PT 8.0.3 still has that studdering video playback issue.

This should be solved with PT8.0.4, which has been released a couple of weeks ago.

I have not done the install yet (still on 8.0.1cs2), but according to the release notes the quicktime problems and the problems with Canopus devices are solved.

[Eric L]

Originally Posted by Jfriah

a) mouseworks and chording
b) iZotope RX

Two reasons I'm a very happy user, then, of PT 7.2

Eric--are you on a trackball or multi-button mouse?

What was the issue with iZo RX and snow leopard/PT8? Or is it searchable...

I have a multi button mouse. Trackballs hurt my wrist too much

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[Eric L]

Originally Posted by Geert van den Berg

This should be solved with PT8.0.4, which has been released a couple of weeks ago.

I have not done the install yet (still on 8.0.1cs2), but according to the release notes the quicktime problems and the problems with Canopus devices are solved.

That's great news. Our LE room is still PT 8.0.3 (no update yet) and the video problem existed there.

I am one step closer it appears.

[breaktheory]

Originally Posted by thierryd

The other problem between PT7 and 8 is that configuration window setups are not compatible. PT8 will have different ruler layouts in the edit window and different mix window layouts, so if you use this feature a lot, it can be troublesome moving between PT versions.

I'm not sure I understand - which feature do you mean?

[dwaynedelario]

We recently mixed the score for a big budget feature at Todd. All playback and record machines were online and running PT8. Mac Pro's running OS 10.5.8. Went online with the score on PT8 using all 192 voices at the Cary Grant. Rock solid!