noise reduction in post production?

lowswing · 12th November 2005

I got dialogues from a documentary film, I'm supposed to clean them for use in the film from street,wind and other noises, and make them clearer.
what tools use the pros for this application?
are they any not so expensive plug-ins that help in the task?
thanks

minister · 12th November 2005

1) best, most expensive: CEDAR. for PT a DNS 2000. or, they have plugs for the PC, or any number of solutions. they are YEARS ahead of everybody in this field. hands down, the best. but be prepared for a BIG PRICE. the top houses use these.

2) Sonic No Noise. pretty darn good. a little finnicky and hard to dial in sometimes, but is great for HF noise. i think around $1500 USD. so, not exactly inexpensive. a good tool to have (even if you have cedar)

3) SONY NR plugs. i found them to be pretty unobtrusive and gave me good control. i only demoed them, but i would recommend them. affordable.

4) waves rest bundle. very nice. slightly different than SONY. i used to like waves in this price range, but now i prefer SONY. another knock against WAVES is their WUP! gets expensive.

5) WAVEARTS mutlidynamics -- great Dolby 430 emulation -- multiband compander. cheap cheap cheap!!!! great for expansion and reduction of wideband noise.

6) SONY EQ MDW (massenburg) EQ. tight tight Q's, many of them to dial out nasties. reasonable. [you can use any EQ to do this really, just use one that allows you to get a tight Q.] remember your harmonics and don't just do one frequency.....

7) Sound Soap. useless. faulty. bad. in bypass would STILL process sound. RAYGUN was better!!

always have as many tools at your disposal.

hociman · 12th November 2005

DINR - Good for steady-state noise, such as 60Hz hum, but only for about 4dB of reduction before you start hearing artifacts. Cheap? No, especially considering its limited use, but if you have it, its good for something.

blesscurse · 12th November 2005

SoundSoap from Bias Peak is excellent. Even the inepxpensive plug-in can work wonders.

http://www.bias-inc.com/products/soundsoap/

http://www.bias-inc.com/products/soundsoappro/

Takeshi · 12th November 2005

These are the ones I use the most in noisy dialog mixing:

1) Cedar DNS1000 (haven't used 2000) (hardware)
2) Dolby CAT 430 (hardware)
3) Waves restoration bundle (software)

I've achieved amazing results combining them. I think one key would be not to try to solve everything at one stage. It's easy to damage the original signal if you use them too aggressively.

No noise was kind of complicate to use for me (the worksation with noise reduction I mean, not the plug in that I haven't used). DiNR, Sonic Foundry's NR and Ray Gun can do similar to the Waves bundle, but I think Waves are better and less "underwater" sounding.

Hope it helps,

TK.

neilwight · 13th November 2005

you could also look at the alogorithmix stuff.

renovator and their restoration bundle are very useful tools of exceptional quality

12th November 2005	#1
lowswing Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,446 Thread Starter	noise reduction in post production? I got dialogues from a documentary film, I'm supposed to clean them for use in the film from street,wind and other noises, and make them clearer. what tools use the pros for this application? are they any not so expensive plug-ins that help in the task? thanks __________________ Guy Sternberg Engineer, Producer LowSwing Studios, berlin www.lowswing.de

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hociman Gear addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 479	Diner DINR - Good for steady-state noise, such as 60Hz hum, but only for about 4dB of reduction before you start hearing artifacts. Cheap? No, especially considering its limited use, but if you have it, its good for something. __________________ -Jonathan S. Abrams, CEA, CEV, CBNT Apple Certified - Technical Coordinator (v10.5), Support Professional (v10.6) Treasurer, NY Section, AES

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12th November 2005	#2
minister Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: minneapolis, mn Posts: 1,963	1) best, most expensive: CEDAR. for PT a DNS 2000. or, they have plugs for the PC, or any number of solutions. they are YEARS ahead of everybody in this field. hands down, the best. but be prepared for a BIG PRICE. the top houses use these. 2) Sonic No Noise. pretty darn good. a little finnicky and hard to dial in sometimes, but is great for HF noise. i think around $1500 USD. so, not exactly inexpensive. a good tool to have (even if you have cedar) 3) SONY NR plugs. i found them to be pretty unobtrusive and gave me good control. i only demoed them, but i would recommend them. affordable. 4) waves rest bundle. very nice. slightly different than SONY. i used to like waves in this price range, but now i prefer SONY. another knock against WAVES is their WUP! gets expensive. 5) WAVEARTS mutlidynamics -- great Dolby 430 emulation -- multiband compander. cheap cheap cheap!!!! great for expansion and reduction of wideband noise. 6) SONY EQ MDW (massenburg) EQ. tight tight Q's, many of them to dial out nasties. reasonable. [you can use any EQ to do this really, just use one that allows you to get a tight Q.] remember your harmonics and don't just do one frequency..... 7) Sound Soap. useless. faulty. bad. in bypass would STILL process sound. RAYGUN was better!! always have as many tools at your disposal.

12th November 2005	#4
blesscurse Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 392	SoundSoap from Bias Peak is excellent. Even the inepxpensive plug-in can work wonders. http://www.bias-inc.com/products/soundsoap/ http://www.bias-inc.com/products/soundsoappro/

12th November 2005	#5
Takeshi Gear Head Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Argentina Posts: 47	These are the ones I use the most in noisy dialog mixing: 1) Cedar DNS1000 (haven't used 2000) (hardware) 2) Dolby CAT 430 (hardware) 3) Waves restoration bundle (software) I've achieved amazing results combining them. I think one key would be not to try to solve everything at one stage. It's easy to damage the original signal if you use them too aggressively. No noise was kind of complicate to use for me (the worksation with noise reduction I mean, not the plug in that I haven't used). DiNR, Sonic Foundry's NR and Ray Gun can do similar to the Waves bundle, but I think Waves are better and less "underwater" sounding. Hope it helps, TK.

13th November 2005	#6
neilwight Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 162	you could also look at the alogorithmix stuff. renovator and their restoration bundle are very useful tools of exceptional quality