more PT novice stuff...Record modes

[Patch Morrison]

sorry guys, but I have been looking for mention of this in past threads to no avail..

So the question is basically about record modes and ways of quickly tapping into record. I have been looking at quick punch, destructive and loop record mode which all offer useful functions but don't seem to do what I am after.

In Logic if a VO artist fluffs a line right at the beginning of a take, I can just tap the dedicated record button (in my case the * key) and it will snap back to the originating record point (which I would have chosen with enough pre-roll time to set the VO up for the line).

The useful thing about this is there is no stopping and starting involved, it just jumps back - still in record and overwrites whatever is in it's path (like destructive mode-sort of).

I can obviously stop and start and utilize work tracks to build up alt takes (only logic 7, before all the clever comping tools). But if it is an obviously unusable line early on in the take, I would just rather start again and overwrite it.

I can see how using loop record mode can give me lots of alt takes, but I am essentially looking for a way to not build up alt takes.
Also, I do not want to be constrained by an already defined loop, for example when tracking instruments - it is sometimes nice to be able to let it roll as far as possible instead of just playing inside a tiny loop section over and over.

any tips would be greatly appreciated,

cheers,

patch

[nomoreflakes]

CMD + . (full stop) will cancel a take and delete it. then CMD + space

not a dedicated key but it only takes a few milliseconds.

[Patch Morrison]

cheers for that mate.
That's useful even if it is an extra button press.

A friend of mine also suggested apple Z (undo) whilst in record, but it doesn't seem to work on my set up (M-Powered 7.4 on tiger).

At the moment when hitting CMD space PT will record but only after both the play and record button flash about 4 or 5 times, which takes about 3 seconds.

i don't seem to have any pre-roll enabled. is this some other pref I need to look at?

[FullFrequency]

Use N - It toggles the insert of the start marker to be either where you press stop, or to be of static position (i.e. where you originally clicked). when recording VO I have it in static position so that if a take is bad i'm already in the right place to go again.

I wouldn't recommend clicking undo or deleting media even if it is bad as there might be a small snippet that's of use that the director will want to use - then you'll be in a spot of bother.

FF

[Patch Morrison]

i seem to have some unique hot key assignments. i have the lil "a...z" box highlighted, but N doesn't really do anything.

anyone know what that flashing play/rec button thing could be? it makes starting recording a rather tedious task.

[minister]

"3" puts you in record.

Originally Posted by Patch Morrison

i seem to have some unique hot key assignments. i have the lil "a...z" box highlighted, but N doesn't really do anything.

But it does. it toggles between playing back from the insertion point and playback, from where you stopped.

Do yourself a favor and read the keyboard shortcut manual.

[Patch Morrison]

Originally Posted by minister

"3" puts you in record.


But it does. it toggles between playing back from the insertion point and playback, from where you stopped.

Do yourself a favor and read the keyboard shortcut manual.

sorry, don't mean to offend by my ignorance.

I have however been looking at the keyboard shortcut manual all day.

3 indeed puts me into record, but I still have the play/rec buttons flashing 4 times over about 3 seconds before the recording begins.

[FullFrequency]

Originally Posted by Patch Morrison

i seem to have some unique hot key assignments. i have the lil "a...z" box highlighted, but N doesn't really do anything.

anyone know what that flashing play/rec button thing could be? it makes starting recording a rather tedious task.

It really does.... promise - you'll only notice the outcome once you press stop.

i seem to remember you're a runner at Envy from a previous thread? There some very good dubbing mixers there - my suggestion would be to make them lots of tea and i'm sure they'll give you/show you some tips. I know one of the guys there and he a really nice bloke so I'm sure he'd be willing to show you.

Minister is right though - you should read the shortcut book.....

http://akmedia.digidesign.com/suppor..._Mac_29738.pdf

[Patch Morrison]

Believe me, I try and learn off the tracklayers and mixers as much as I can at Envy, it's a bit of a battle though. There's alot of runners here..

Would you happen to know what this means?

Originally Posted by Patch Morrison

I still have the play/rec buttons flashing 4 times over about 3 seconds before the recording begins.

[FullFrequency]

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Would you happen to know what this means?[/QUOTE]

Does it do it on playback aswell and is there video in the timeline?

[Patch Morrison]

Originally Posted by FullFrequency

[QUOTE

Would you happen to know what this means?

Does it do it on playback aswell and is there video in the timeline?[/QUOTE]

no video being used, only does it when recording. playback is fine.

it seems like some kinda pre-roll type thing except i have my pre-roll turned off and the values at zero to make sure..

[FullFrequency]

Hmmm wonder if it might be some sort off buffer type situation.

Try putting it in quickpunch mode - hit play (space) then whilst playing hit command space to punch in. Could be a workaround. i used to have that sort of problem with an old Mix24 V5 system and when cueing record from standing it would take forever (i.e. using '3') but if i played then quickpunched it would be fine. Of course I gave myself more preroll for this and i would punch just after hitting play to make sure i didn't miss anything....

[FullFrequency]

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A friend of mine also suggested apple Z (undo) whilst in record, but it doesn't seem to work on my set up (M-Powered 7.4 on tiger).
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Also... no offence to your friend, but doing this would be very silly indeed. If you hit undo as soon as you're recording you could possibly be deleting your last record. This could be a good take from a different line. Once you hit stop the last piece of undo/redo history will be your record. i.e you will not be able to re-do. If you hit undo again to try and get it back...... you've just deleted your last recording!

So to get the piece you're after back.... you'll have to import it from the audio files folder - if it's still there that is.

[Patch Morrison]

Originally Posted by FullFrequency

Hmmm wonder if it might be some sort off buffer type situation.

Try putting it in quickpunch mode - hit play (space) then whilst playing hit command space to punch in. Could be a workaround. i used to have that sort of problem with an old Mix24 V5 system and when cueing record from standing it would take forever (i.e. using '3') but if i played then quickpunched it would be fine. Of course I gave myself more preroll for this and i would punch just after hitting play to make sure i didn't miss anything....

yeah quick punch works ok, but its odd coz when I first finally managed to get PT up and running a few weeks ago this problem wasn't occuring.
I keep thinking I have pressed something that has enabled some pref that I am unaware of..

[FullFrequency]

One thing that causes a problem is the order of which you boot your system. Make sure you turn on your computer first, and then load your Digi / M-Audio hardware. I'm guessing Core Audio gets used even with M-Audio devices (although I could be wrong) and it will auto load if the hardware is turned on first rather than the computer. Even if you close it first before loading PT it can cause an issue.

If that's not it, try a re-install or have a look at the buffer settings

[minister]

Originally Posted by Patch Morrison

sorry, don't mean to offend by my ignorance.

I have however been looking at the keyboard shortcut manual all day.

3 indeed puts me into record, but I still have the play/rec buttons flashing 4 times over about 3 seconds before the recording begins.

Then you have count-off engaged.

Show your Transport!! Or in 8, put it up on the top of the edit window.

[FullFrequency]

Originally Posted by minister

Then you have count-off engaged.

Show your Transport!! Or in 8, put it up on the top of the edit window.

+1 good call!

[Patch Morrison]

Originally Posted by minister

Then you have count-off engaged.

Show your Transport!! Or in 8, put it up on the top of the edit window.

ahaaaaa. thankyou. I must have hit a key that engaged this, coz it wasn't turned on at first, and I had the extended portion of the transport window hidden.

thank you for your patience guys. I am a complete PT novice coming from primarily using Logic. Long, steep learning curve indeed. I do try to search for relevant threads before starting a new one full of dumb questions though.

[minister]

Originally Posted by Patch Morrison

I do try to search for relevant threads before starting a new one full of dumb questions though.

And read the manual. Bite off more than you can chew. It's tough on your windpipe, but you'll never go hungry.

[smurfyou]

Originally Posted by FullFrequency

Use N - It toggles the insert of the start marker to be either where you press stop, or to be of static position (i.e. where you originally clicked). when recording VO I have it in static position so that if a take is bad i'm already in the right place to go again.

FF

Thats interesting. I have the cursor follow the playhead when recording VO. That way its in place to record at the tail of the previous take. If I want to go back I hit OPT-TAB. (This is for recording linear takes down the timeline; if I was recording to picture or looping for some other reason I would have the cursor static).

[Jonesfromindia]

Originally Posted by Patch Morrison

3 indeed puts me into record, but I still have the play/rec buttons flashing 4 times over about 3 seconds before the recording begins.

you have your "pre roll" engaged.

Check with APPL + 1



Disengage with APL + K

[Jonesfromindia]

Originally Posted by minister

Then you have count-off engaged.

Show your Transport!! Or in 8, put it up on the top of the edit window.

damn, i didnt see this post.

oh well, mine was more informative

[FullFrequency]

Originally Posted by smurfyou

Thats interesting. I have the cursor follow the playhead when recording VO. That way its in place to record at the tail of the previous take. If I want to go back I hit OPT-TAB. (This is for recording linear takes down the timeline; if I was recording to picture or looping for some other reason I would have the cursor static).

Ah then we're doing pretty much the same thing - I neglected to say that if I'm doing VO it's 99% to picture - my bad. like you if I'm recording wild then it's straight down the time-line as well with the cursor following play head. OPT-TAB is also a nice tip, although for moving the cursor around regions i tend to use L;'P - just personal preference though

[Patch Morrison]

Originally Posted by FullFrequency

for moving the cursor around regions i tend to use L;'P - just personal preference though

what's this one? is that a combo of all of those keys or am i misreading it like a special person..

coming from logic i am very used to just using the left and right keys to jump from one region to the next, so any lil region based tricks and tips would be lush..

[FullFrequency]

Originally Posted by Patch Morrison

what's this one? is that a combo of all of those keys or am i misreading it like a special person..

coming from logic i am very used to just using the left and right keys to jump from one region to the next, so any lil region based tricks and tips would be lush..

Sounds like you're just misreading. Press the keys individually with the A~Z switched on and see what happens - Manual!

FF

[minister]

Originally Posted by Jonesfromindia

damn, i didnt see this post.

oh well, mine was more informative

But unfortunately didn't fit the circumstances or solve his problem. He said his play/rec buttons flashed for 3 seconds or so before recording began. This not the case when pre-roll is engaged. He had his count-off (in Midi controls) engaged. This makes the play button flash.

[Jonesfromindia]

Originally Posted by minister

But unfortunately didn't fit the circumstances or solve his problem. He said his play/rec buttons flashed for 3 seconds or so before recording began. This not the case when pre-roll is engaged. He had his count-off (in Midi controls) engaged. This makes the play button flash.

correct. speed reading isnt my strong suit. now if it was just record blinking....then i would be right