can i reduce big room sound on dialogue?

M-Goldie · 19th March 2010

hello

i am adding music to scenes shot against green screen - mainly two or three actors, and i have also been given the task of sorting out the dialogue, which is not my normal line of work (sound design/music).

apparently they used a pro recordist, but every mic feed sounds pretty bad, (boom, camera, radio) all covered in reverb from the studio - which was a hard concrete box.

even the radio mics have got room sound on. . .

can i do anything to reduce the effect?

gating it helps a bit, compression brings up the background level.

thanks

mg

TVPostSound · 19th March 2010

Even though they are used for noise reduction, the side effects of Dolby CAT43 or Cedar DNS box, is reverb attenuation.

Rent one, and try it.

The Badge · 19th March 2010

Izotope RX does a pretty good job at reducing unwanted background noise.

kosmokrator · 19th March 2010

as does the T.C. 6000 Backdrop. If you have a Reverb or Mastering 6000 you can rent the license.

marclop · 20th March 2010

You could use the DNS which has a setup for minimizing reverb. But be careful. Do it in smalls steps until you hear some artifacts on the dialogue.

Best regards,
Marco

ErikG · 20th March 2010

Obviously the best thing would be to ADR. Although a lot of the processes mentioned above reduces thereverb tails but if there are a lot of hard early reflections and in a concrete wall room there would be, you will never get it to sound really good.
So if ADR is in the budget, DO IT.

Sylvain · 20th March 2010

Get a SPL Transient Designer. Turn the "sustain" down. Works like a charm.

**DrDeltaM** · 20th March 2010

Cedar DNS does a great job at this

hef · 20th March 2010

i have had pretty good results with the new Waves WNS- using it in a similar way as the Cedar. Put all the faders down and raise the threshold until you get sounding better without making the dialog sounding overly gated.

bloodyh · 21st March 2010

What about a well tuned expander? Along with a little dip in the EQ if there is a critical frequency in the reverb... When you only have Pro Tools LE you learn to do stuff with what you have at hand

M-Goldie · 21st March 2010

thanks for all the replies

much appreciated, and very helpful.

MG

pasarski · 21st March 2010

One lo-budget option that works amazingly well is the Logic's "enveloper" plug-in (some sort of a expander/gate thingy..).

Jfriah · 21st March 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by M-Goldie

apparently they used a pro recordist, but every mic feed sounds pretty bad, (boom, camera, radio) all covered in reverb from the studio - which was a hard concrete box.

a) "pro" means someone who gets paid to do a job.... that is all.

b) SPL De-Verb

The demo should give you a good time period to 'play around'.

Jeff

19th March 2010	#1
M-Goldie Gear addict Joined: Mar 2009 Location: London, UK Posts: 342 Thread Starter	can i reduce big room sound on dialogue? hello i am adding music to scenes shot against green screen - mainly two or three actors, and i have also been given the task of sorting out the dialogue, which is not my normal line of work (sound design/music). apparently they used a pro recordist, but every mic feed sounds pretty bad, (boom, camera, radio) all covered in reverb from the studio - which was a hard concrete box. even the radio mics have got room sound on. . . can i do anything to reduce the effect? gating it helps a bit, compression brings up the background level. thanks mg

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TVPostSound Lives for gear Joined: Oct 2007 Location: Granada Hills Posts: 847	Even though they are used for noise reduction, the side effects of Dolby CAT43 or Cedar DNS box, is reverb attenuation. Rent one, and try it. __________________ IMDB Just finished: "Top Chef Season 9" for Bravo. Now mixing: Top Chef Masters Season 10, The Real L Word Season 3, Around The World In 80 Plates, Gallery Girls, Life After Chef.

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kosmokrator mymixisbetterthanyours! Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Berlin Posts: 1,759	as does the T.C. 6000 Backdrop. If you have a Reverb or Mastering 6000 you can rent the license. __________________ www.just-mix-it.com

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ErikG Gear addict Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 373	Obviously the best thing would be to ADR. Although a lot of the processes mentioned above reduces thereverb tails but if there are a lot of hard early reflections and in a concrete wall room there would be, you will never get it to sound really good. So if ADR is in the budget, DO IT. __________________ Europa Sound Production Euphonix 32 fader S5MC + stand alone MC, Nuendo x 7, Protools x 10 4 x VVTR, Avid Adrenaline, Final Cut Pro http://www.europasound.se

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hef Gear Head Joined: Mar 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 66	i have had pretty good results with the new Waves WNS- using it in a similar way as the Cedar. Put all the faders down and raise the threshold until you get sounding better without making the dialog sounding overly gated. __________________ http://bigyellowduck.com credits: http://imdb.com/name/nm1590232/

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The Badge Gear Head Joined: Aug 2009 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 30	Izotope RX does a pretty good job at reducing unwanted background noise.

20th March 2010	#5
marclop Gear Head Joined: Feb 2008 Location: Cyprus Posts: 66	You could use the DNS which has a setup for minimizing reverb. But be careful. Do it in smalls steps until you hear some artifacts on the dialogue. Best regards, Marco

20th March 2010	#7
Sylvain Gear interested Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 27	Get a SPL Transient Designer. Turn the "sustain" down. Works like a charm.

20th March 2010	#8
DrDeltaM Moderator Joined: Sep 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 4,347	Cedar DNS does a great job at this

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bloodyh Gear Head Joined: Jan 2010 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 67	What about a well tuned expander? Along with a little dip in the EQ if there is a critical frequency in the reverb... When you only have Pro Tools LE you learn to do stuff with what you have at hand __________________ What's your next step? -- Budding editor/designer!

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M-Goldie Gear addict Joined: Mar 2009 Location: London, UK Posts: 342 Thread Starter	thanks for all the replies much appreciated, and very helpful. MG

21st March 2010	#12
pasarski Lives for gear Joined: Nov 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 845	One lo-budget option that works amazingly well is the Logic's "enveloper" plug-in (some sort of a expander/gate thingy..).

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