Seventies, worn-out film, shoddy gear

Orange Goblin · 17th March 2010

First of all, this is a really short and simple project, so there's no need to go nuts with intricate tips, I just need the short and sweet ones, if you have them. I also have a very limited amount of gear (and experience).

I'm looking to get a sort of mix of an old film copy and maybe the impression of somewhat shoddy gear being used when recording. In addition, it would be nice with some warmth.

The thing is, it's supposed to be a B-movie ish cop-show, so it's no problem if it sounds crap. We're also adding all sorts of stupid filters, missing frames and whatnot (with the obvious snaps and crackles).

Basically, I'm thinking about just doing some EQ and running the whole thing through Amplitube after getting the foley and sound editing done, maybe add a mild lowpass filter.

Any other ideas?

charles maynes · 17th March 2010

try Isotope Vinyl- its free, and can help.

E Baxter Put · 17th March 2010

I think Izotope Alloy would be a great to use as well. The eq is very fat as is the exciter and compression.

I would also check out some old films and listen closely to their foley/ fx. The sound fx were much less realistic in those old movies, but still sounded awesome. The foley can be mixed kinda loud.

ggegan · 17th March 2010

I would experiment with Speakerphone from Audioease. I realize it is designed for futzing purposes, but I believe it would give you a lot of great options for what you are looking for.

Also, for analogue warmth, try the McDSP Analog Channel plugin.

JSt0rm · 18th March 2010

Sounds like fun. I would also mess with the pitch a bit around some of the frame cuts and what not. Make sure there are clicks there atleast. Also dont over cut the effects except like 1 thing. Make like the main guys car the most decked out muscle car sound or something (havent seen it) this would give that thing contrast amongst all the dreary crap.

Of course you must watch "deathproof" for more ideas.

Sonsey@mac.com · 18th March 2010

Somebody on here had put up a nice sample of optical noise, you might want to lay that under the mix at a low level to help sell it. Oh... and if you're in PT, I will say three words.... Funk Logic Masterizer....I'll leave you to figure out the how's and where's.

Makinithappen · 21st March 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonsey@mac.com

Somebody on here had put up a nice sample of optical noise, you might want to lay that under the mix at a low level to help sell it. Oh... and if you're in PT, I will say three words.... Funk Logic Masterizer....I'll leave you to figure out the how's and where's.

Of course The Masterizer!

Orange Goblin · 21st March 2010

YouTube - KRIMGÃ…TE: '70s Buddy Cop Action!

Here's the result.

Pretty over the top with the sound, I made a bunch of versions. The director thought this one worked the best. I actually agree, most people are too ignorant to notice subtle differences in the sound, so over the top it is.

Also, the material I had to work with was awful. The cameraman had this old Røde video mic that we used, and we had to extend the already shoddy non-shielded cable with another crappy non-shielded cable. Needless to say, the interference from pretty much everything around was a nightmare, not to mention the camera itself. Because of issues with the battery, we had to have it plugged in most of the time, and whenever it was plugged in, there was insane noise from the powergrid. We used a HV30 (with a crappy 35mm-adapter and a really old Nikon zoom-lens). Not to mention I didn't really have time to do much sound editing (we did all the post in one night — the same night as I wrote a ten page essay that had a deadline the following day... hectic!).

I ended up using Vinyl (thanks for the tip!) and Amplitube.

17th March 2010	#1
Orange Goblin Gear Head Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 70 Thread Starter	Seventies, worn-out film, shoddy gear First of all, this is a really short and simple project, so there's no need to go nuts with intricate tips, I just need the short and sweet ones, if you have them. I also have a very limited amount of gear (and experience). I'm looking to get a sort of mix of an old film copy and maybe the impression of somewhat shoddy gear being used when recording. In addition, it would be nice with some warmth. The thing is, it's supposed to be a B-movie ish cop-show, so it's no problem if it sounds crap. We're also adding all sorts of stupid filters, missing frames and whatnot (with the obvious snaps and crackles). Basically, I'm thinking about just doing some EQ and running the whole thing through Amplitube after getting the foley and sound editing done, maybe add a mild lowpass filter. Any other ideas?

17th March 2010	#4
ggegan Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2008 Location: The Heart of Screenland Posts: 1,603	I would experiment with Speakerphone from Audioease. I realize it is designed for futzing purposes, but I believe it would give you a lot of great options for what you are looking for. Also, for analogue warmth, try the McDSP Analog Channel plugin. __________________ Gary Gegan

18th March 2010	#6
Sonsey@mac.com Gear addict Joined: Apr 2008 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 377	Somebody on here had put up a nice sample of optical noise, you might want to lay that under the mix at a low level to help sell it. Oh... and if you're in PT, I will say three words.... Funk Logic Masterizer....I'll leave you to figure out the how's and where's. __________________ Howard Sonnenburg Composer/Sound Designer/Engineer/Gadabout www.sonsey.com "Nice Camera... how's the f#$%ing script?" - Adrian Langley Last edited by Sonsey@mac.com; 18th March 2010 at 02:16 PM.. Reason: just one more thing...

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17th March 2010	#2
charles maynes Gear Guru Joined: Jan 2004 Location: out in the dirt. Posts: 15,625	try Isotope Vinyl- its free, and can help.

17th March 2010	#3
E Baxter Put Gear nut Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 102	I think Izotope Alloy would be a great to use as well. The eq is very fat as is the exciter and compression. I would also check out some old films and listen closely to their foley/ fx. The sound fx were much less realistic in those old movies, but still sounded awesome. The foley can be mixed kinda loud.

18th March 2010	#5
JSt0rm Lives for gear Joined: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,749	Sounds like fun. I would also mess with the pitch a bit around some of the frame cuts and what not. Make sure there are clicks there atleast. Also dont over cut the effects except like 1 thing. Make like the main guys car the most decked out muscle car sound or something (havent seen it) this would give that thing contrast amongst all the dreary crap. Of course you must watch "deathproof" for more ideas.

21st March 2010	#8
Orange Goblin Gear Head Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 70 Thread Starter	YouTube - KRIMGÃ…TE: '70s Buddy Cop Action! Here's the result. Pretty over the top with the sound, I made a bunch of versions. The director thought this one worked the best. I actually agree, most people are too ignorant to notice subtle differences in the sound, so over the top it is. Also, the material I had to work with was awful. The cameraman had this old Røde video mic that we used, and we had to extend the already shoddy non-shielded cable with another crappy non-shielded cable. Needless to say, the interference from pretty much everything around was a nightmare, not to mention the camera itself. Because of issues with the battery, we had to have it plugged in most of the time, and whenever it was plugged in, there was insane noise from the powergrid. We used a HV30 (with a crappy 35mm-adapter and a really old Nikon zoom-lens). Not to mention I didn't really have time to do much sound editing (we did all the post in one night — the same night as I wrote a ten page essay that had a deadline the following day... hectic!). I ended up using Vinyl (thanks for the tip!) and Amplitube.