Oh how far we've come!

[Sonsey@mac.com]

So I just finished archiving all the audio for an animated series we just finished (Rollbots- on YTV here in Canada and 4KIDS, in September for the US). The total Audio for a 26 episode season was just under 1.2 TB(!). I remember archiving the first season of an Animated show I did 10 years ago, and the entire SEASON fit in under 4GB! Of course a whole different beast, but still, interesting to see how far we've come...

[bizzle]

Yeah, I remember being able to archive projects onto CD-ROM, then projects got too big for DVD-ROM, then DVD-DL, now I am buying hard drives every couple months. Been eyeing the BluRay.. but seriously, I don't have any idea how to archive 200GB+ projects. What did you archive to?

&e

[Sonsey@mac.com]

With the price of HD's being what they are, we back up to two sets of Hard Drives. Data management is always an issue these days... Every five years, we look at what we have archived, and generally re-archive it in whatever the current format is. Save's us having to recall something from say DDS tape 7 years later! (And yes, I have had requests for projects dating back that far, and farther... It's amazing what Producers don't keep track of!)

[quadraphonics]

We use LTO-4 400gigs per tape. Most projects fit on one of these.

Randall

Originally Posted by bizzle

Yeah, I remember being able to archive projects onto CD-ROM, then projects got too big for DVD-ROM, then DVD-DL, now I am buying hard drives every couple months. Been eyeing the BluRay.. but seriously, I don't have any idea how to archive 200GB+ projects. What did you archive to?

&e

[jrfountain]

Ya I remember buying my first 9GB SCSI drive back in college for $800. The other day I picked up an 8GB SD card for my field recorder for $60 and the thing is the size of my thumb! Crazy.

JR

[JoeMilner]

And today I threw away a 4GB Narrow SCSI drive I'd bought in 1995 for $3,000.
Good times

[charles maynes]

I use DVD's x2

It is a pain, but it is accessible at the finder level. Big Picture files are still a problem though- (I got one today that was 31gb)

[Big Andy]

LTO is the way to go.

Believe.

[Steven1145]

We started our archives back in the Akai DD1500 and Fairlight MFX3+ days with 8mm backup tapes. Then moved on to Exabyte MammothLT (still 8mm but with AME coating).
Then was VXA2...
And now LTO3 which is the best we've had so far (very fast, and each cartridge holds 400Gb).

[Uncle Bob]

Originally Posted by Sonsey@mac.com

With the price of HD's being what they are, we back up to two sets of Hard Drives. Data management is always an issue these days... Every five years, we look at what we have archived, and generally re-archive it in whatever the current format is. Save's us having to recall something from say DDS tape 7 years later! (And yes, I have had requests for projects dating back that far, and farther... It's amazing what Producers don't keep track of!)

Do you charge your clients an annual fee for the archiving?

[Jfriah]

Originally Posted by JoeMilner

And today I threw away a 4GB Narrow SCSI drive I'd bought in 1995 for $3,000.
Good times

Did you take a photo with it first!?!

----and re: charging clients an archiving fee. I like the way you think, but nope. Not this guy anyway... I just love how "the sound house should have it..." years later. I don't remember seeing in any contract or delivery req. saying there would EVEN be backups created at any point! So....

Then again, there's always the "I can't believe they didn't keep a backup copy of this!!!!!! I'm never working with them again, that is unforgivable!"

(just had to save a composer's bacon because the composer didn't keep original sessions/tracks for a project and had to add 35 minutes more for an extended version)

Backups are your friend...

-Jeff

[Sonsey@mac.com]

Originally Posted by Jfriah

Did you take a photo with it first!?!

----and re: charging clients an archiving fee. I like the way you think, but nope. Not this guy anyway... I just love how "the sound house should have it..." years later. I don't remember seeing in any contract or delivery req. saying there would EVEN be backups created at any point! So....

Actually, we charge the archiving fee UP FRONT... and it's included in the contract on series work. That covers five years of storage. Past that point (or if the client decided against archiving) we DO charge for restoring from the archives at standard studio rates... which oddly enough, NEVER seems to be a problem... Never enough time and money to do it right...

[soundguydave]

I'm liking these. I just archive 6 months or so and then get a new one

FireWire RAID 1 Redundant Mirror Performance FireWire 800, FireWire 400, USB 2.0 Storage Solution NewerTech Guardian MAXimus at OtherWorldComputing.com

[Fred Story]

Out of curiosity, anyone doing backups to Blu-ray? 25 or 50gb on a single disc sounds mighty tempting...but questions remain for me.

This thread reminds me of when we bought our first DAW in 1994. A ONE gigabyte SCSI hard drive was a $1,200.00 option. And we paid it. :-)

[Thomas W. Bethe]

First large HD for my Sonic system was 1.6 gigs and cost $3500. That was in 1996. I just went to MicroCenter and got a 1.5 TB drive for $129.00, Lots of changes in 14 years.

[kk@jamsync.com]

Originally Posted by JoeMilner

And today I threw away a 4GB Narrow SCSI drive I'd bought in 1995 for $3,000.
Good times

I took 20 of those to the "e-cycle" event a couple of weeks ago. It was a really painful experience to see them go, and even worse was the pile of SCSI cables that went with them. I know I used (and depreciated) all of that at one time, but it certainly was a big investment only to see them get wrapped in plastic and loaded on a big truck.

[philper]

Originally Posted by kk@jamsync.com

I took 20 of those to the "e-cycle" event a couple of weeks ago. It was a really painful experience to see them go, and even worse was the pile of SCSI cables that went with them. I know I used (and depreciated) all of that at one time, but it certainly was a big investment only to see them get wrapped in plastic and loaded on a big truck.

Roger all that--I keep finding 50 pin SCSI cables stashed in various places in the shop and studio (for emergencies, I guess). Way expensive, now toxic waste. I can still use some of those 4 and 9GB narrow drives in my V1 (for now), but that's a system that I'm looking for a replacement for (but haven't found yet). I know I have nothing to whine about, it's not like I had a Synclavier or an early Fairlight etc.....

Philip Perkins

[thierryd]

Originally Posted by philper

Roger all that--I keep finding 50 pin SCSI cables stashed in various places in the shop and studio (for emergencies, I guess). Way expensive, now toxic waste. I can still use some of those 4 and 9GB narrow drives in my V1 (for now), but that's a system that I'm looking for a replacement for (but haven't found yet). I know I have nothing to whine about, it's not like I had a Synclavier or an early Fairlight etc.....

Philip Perkins

I can't seem to throw away old stuff and I sometimes still find a use for it. Last week I fired up an Akai S6000 sampler (not used for a couple of years), that I set up for an experiment with live triggering of audience laughter sounds. The internal 4GB Quantum Fireball made too much noise and I connected a Sony 5.2 MOD GB drive to it, to load the sounds when starting up...connected with SCSI cables of course. And the Sony MOD drive is from a Synclavier 9600 system, that I bought a couple of years ago for nostalgic reasons.

Now to be honest, for this experiment, I set up a spare sampler system on a G4 MacBook that I have lying around. For that I used the 39$ VSamp application, that did exactly what was needed for this thing...times they do change don't they...

Greetings,

Thierry

[kk@jamsync.com]

Originally Posted by thierryd

I can't seem to throw away old stuff and I sometimes still find a use for it. Last week I fired up an Akai S6000 sampler...

Thierry

I just found my two cases of Roland S550 disks I had lost when I moved here from Boston 20 years ago. I've kept the 550 and I'm crossing my fingers that it works. 12-bit sampling...wOOt!

[kk@jamsync.com]

Originally Posted by philper

Roger all that--I keep finding 50 pin SCSI cables stashed in various places in the shop and studio (for emergencies, I guess). Way expensive, now toxic waste. I can still use some of those 4 and 9GB narrow drives in my V1 (for now), but that's a system that I'm looking for a replacement for (but haven't found yet). I know I have nothing to whine about, it's not like I had a Synclavier or an early Fairlight etc.....

Philip Perkins

I keep finding Appletalk cables and extenders stashed in boxes. Why on earth did I need that many?

I wish I could say I've changed my ways, but I'm starting to eye all those FW400 drives and I'm not feeling good at all that the octo I just bought only has FW800.

[philper]

Originally Posted by kk@jamsync.com

I just found my two cases of Roland S550 disks I had lost when I moved here from Boston 20 years ago. I've kept the 550 and I'm crossing my fingers that it works. 12-bit sampling...wOOt!

The house attic still contains my Casio FZ20M, boxes of floppies and its very own--get ready--80MB hard drive. (That's 80 MB not GB.) Let's have a 12-bit fest!

Philip Perkins

[kk@jamsync.com]

Originally Posted by philper

The house attic still contains my Casio FZ20M, boxes of floppies and its very own--get ready--80MB hard drive. (That's 80 MB not GB.) Let's have a 12-bit fest!

Philip Perkins

Yes, we should try to make it a retro trend so we can offload some of this old sruff!

[Jesse Peterson]

I remember my first project studio was running a 4000 dollar power mac 7800 with a 1GB HD and all my back ups went to jazz drive disks, 1gb max at that time.

I remember thinking wow 1gb.. I don't think I could ever need to save that many midi files lol

[pbell]

Wow. I just called a store to buy an internal 500GB hard drive, they told me they don't carry anything that small anymore.

[danijel]

Hard Drive Ide Turning On Vintage 1991 Seagate Hard Drive Powering Up Then Down Sound Effects

[Moofie]

LTO3 here.

Tom