Rendering times

[DSD_Mastering]

I know this day and age hardware is constantly trying to keep up with software. Just a couple years back, I'd render a video overnight. You would think with quad/eight core computers would render video faster... but noooooooooooooo.... they had to go and create HDV and such. Then it was back to rendering videos overnight and over networked computers.
I just built the fastest PC I thought I could. We're using AVID MS and Sony Vegas. It's still taking almost 1:1 to render video.
Is anyone else wasting precious time? If not... please enlighten me!


Thanks,

[bcgood]

You should get a totally supped up Mac Pro with 32 gigs of RAM and 4 15,000 RPM hard drives. Edit in Final Cut Pro. You should notice an improvement in HD rendering times.

[Geert van den Berg]

I suspect the PC he has built is probably already in about the same league as the fastest Mac, so I doubt there is any improvement to gain. Also there are certain things Avid and Vegas do better than FCP offcourse also the other way around...

[DSD_Mastering]

Thanks guys... Yes, I built a dual Xenon E5450 PC with Raptors in RAID 0 arrays. The OS is on a SSD. I have 8GB of DDR2 1333. I don't know if it can get any faster than this. What should I see for normal render times? For a 1 hour HDV it will render in about 45-50 minutes. Pretty much not enough time to start a new project and too long to sit and wait!!


Regards,
Bruce

[kosmokrator]

Hmm.. That's where renderfarms shine. If you want to go the gearslutz-way, combine that with a fibrechannel-SAN.
If you need a calculation, drop me a line..
There IS a world beyond 8-core..

Originally Posted by DSD_Mastering

Thanks guys... Yes, I built a dual Xenon E5450 PC with Raptors in RAID 0 arrays. The OS is on a SSD. I have 8GB of DDR2 1333. I don't know if it can get any faster than this. What should I see for normal render times? For a 1 hour HDV it will render in about 45-50 minutes. Pretty much not enough time to start a new project and too long to sit and wait!!


Regards,
Bruce

[Whitecat]

T'is true, only multiple computers will make a difference really. Yes, computer technology has progressed but then so have the demands of new(er) codecs. The company I work for uses an 8-core Mac as their primary edit machine and it feels like 1997 all over again! They work in Apple Intermediate for most of the stuff (even the HDV-originated stuff), and occasionally ProRes 422 but it's sloooooooooooooooooooooooooow either way.

[jowillie]

For a 1 hour HDV it will render in about 45-50 minutes

Dang...I'm jealous.

[jhg]

Yeah, if you had a whole rack of those PCs set up as a render farm then things would begin to speed up. Good thing you're not rendering 4k video!

[kosmokrator]

Originally Posted by jhg

Yeah, if you had a whole rack of those PCs set up as a render farm then things would begin to speed up. Good thing you're not rendering 4k video!

Makes no sense. Blade-Clusters are the way to go..

[anistock.com]

We purchased 10 cheap 2nd hand pc's and with a little tweaking created quite a powerful rendering farm in the office for ad hoc requests. We also have our own rendering farm in the studio which conssists of 10 high end Dell workstations

Single PC or Mac has lots of limitations

[DSD_Mastering]

Originally Posted by anistock.com

We purchased 10 cheap 2nd hand pc's and with a little tweaking created quite a powerful rendering farm in the office for ad hoc requests. We also have our own rendering farm in the studio which conssists of 10 high end Dell workstations
Single PC or Mac has lots of limitations

This "rendering farm" system intrigues me. I will be doing more research since I have 4 or 5 P4 computers that are just sitting.

Regards,

[duvalle]

Originally Posted by DSD_Mastering

Thanks guys... Yes, I built a dual Xenon E5450 PC with Raptors in RAID 0 arrays. The OS is on a SSD. I have 8GB of DDR2 1333. I don't know if it can get any faster than this. What should I see for normal render times? For a 1 hour HDV it will render in about 45-50 minutes.

wow - that's a great setup!!

i just started using AVCHD footage in full 1920x108 for my 4-5 minute video clips.
so i was pretty shocked how long the rendering time is on my macbook pro using fcp.

so i was thinking about using vegas 8 on a faster pc setup, because vegas can
handle AVCHD natively.

are you using vista 64bit?

[DSD_Mastering]

Originally Posted by duvalle

are you using vista 64bit?

No.. I refuse to switch to Vista. I have XP-64 on one computer and the rest are XP Pro.


Regards,

[postprosound]

Originally Posted by bcgood

You should get a totally supped up Mac Pro with 32 gigs of RAM and 4 15,000 RPM hard drives. Edit in Final Cut Pro. You should notice an improvement in HD rendering times.

Ya, that would be a sweet rig, minus the final cut part. i'd keep the Avid MC. Rendering is one thing... but, all of those hours you spend actually editing before the render is really the important part. (and the most time consuming).

[bcgood]

Originally Posted by postprosound

Ya, that would be a sweet rig, minus the final cut part. i'd keep the Avid MC. Rendering is one thing... but, all of those hours you spend actually editing before the render is really the important part. (and the most time consuming).

I suppose everyone has their favorite program. I've edited on Avid professionally and I didn't really like it much. Each to their own I suppose. I think having good monitoring and of course editing film not video is what makes huge quality differences. Wait a minute, this sounds familiar? Audio/Video, Video/Audio, DAW/DVE, DVE/DAW, Film/Tape, Tape/Film, Potato/Potato

Sorry, it's late. Better get to bed.

[DSD_Mastering]

Originally Posted by duvalle

wow - that's a great setup!!

are you using vista 64bit?

O'kay... I did something I said I'd never do. I switched to Vista Ultimate 64. I went in and started tweaking and changing everything to "Classic View"... I just rendered a 56 minute HDV.... in ELEVEN MINUTES!!!

I'm a believer now. I would have never thought that would make a difference.

For video... Vista is the only way on PC!!!


Regards,

[duvalle]

Originally Posted by DSD_Mastering

O'kay... I did something I said I'd never do. I switched to Vista Ultimate 64. I went in and started tweaking and changing everything to "Classic View"... I just rendered a 56 minute HDV.... in ELEVEN MINUTES!!!

I'm a believer now. I would have never thought that would make a difference.

For video... Vista is the only way on PC!!!


Regards,

- great to hear!
i think true 64bit (not vista 32) is the way to go too.
unfortunately NOT for daw use ... hope that will change soon.

by the way:
did you do color correction with i.e. Magic Bullet Looks ?
if yes eleven minutes rendering time is really mind blowing!!

[doubledecker]

Originally Posted by DSD_Mastering

O'kay... I did something I said I'd never do. I switched to Vista Ultimate 64. I went in and started tweaking and changing everything to "Classic View"... I just rendered a 56 minute HDV.... in ELEVEN MINUTES!!!

I'm a believer now. I would have never thought that would make a difference.

For video... Vista is the only way on PC!!!


Regards,

I am curious as to what did Vista do that XP couldnt?
Or for that matter what did you do?
Was it the thing of more memory allocation, perhaps?
I would like to hear more from you on this subject, since i am in similar situation using Vegas and most powerfull PC available with XP and spending hours and hours waiting for things to get rendered.
Did i even mention making changes after material being rendered?
Rendering of video is killing me,man

[DSD_Mastering]

Originally Posted by doubledecker

I am curious as to what did Vista do that XP couldnt?

I'm sure it has to do with the 64-bit architecture and the way it handles complex calculations. Also the larger memory allocation doesn't hurt either! thumbsup

Yeah, I had just downloaded the new Vegas 8.1 and the Media Station v3.0 for Vista 64. These programs are way better than their 32-bit bretheren for PC.


Regards,