((( UAD Plugins for post )))

[Flipsid3]

How do people here feel about Unversal audio plugins? I have had them for a year and I love them. My question is does anyone use them for post work?

[soundslikejoe]

have'm..... use'm.... love'm.....

[eddierodriguez]

another thumbsup for uad.

[seanmccoy]

Interesting. In the recent thread "top ten plugins" not one person included UAD-1 on their list. I've been a little hesitant to use their processors in larger projects due to fear of what the latency compensation might do to sync, but I use them extensively in commercial mixes. Though I used the L1 exclusively for many years, I think the Precision Limiter blows it away.

The fact that much of the UAD-1 lineup is by design not transparent could make their plugs a little less attractive to post people. It was also mentioned in the other thread that a large percentage of post is done on PT HD systems, for which there are are a high number of good emulation plugins already.

Post audio: top 10 (or so) plugins

[Flipsid3]

Originally Posted by seanmccoy

Interesting. In the recent thread "top ten plugins" not one person included UAD-1 on their list. I've been a little hesitant to use their processors in larger projects due to fear of what the latency compensation might do to sync, but I use them extensively in commercial mixes. Though I used the L1 exclusively for many years, I think the Precision Limiter blows it away.

The fact that much of the UAD-1 lineup is by design not transparent could make their plugs a little less attractive to post people. It was also mentioned in the other thread that a large percentage of post is done on PT HD systems, for which there are are a high number of good emulation plugins already.

Post audio: top 10 (or so) plugins

Thanks for the replies fellas.

It would be great if I had PT but I just don't have the money to drop on that system. I currently am learning with what I got so I was just curious how far I can get with using UAD plugins. I want to create a post reel with my UAD plugins and was thinking its a decent start.

But thank you for your opinions fellas thumbsup

[Matt_C]

One problem with using the UAD for post is that you need to be sure other people in the chain will have access to those plug-ins, or you have to bounce all the treatments you do with them to disk. Even that would be annoying if all someone needs to do is tweak the reverb slightly or whatever.

I was thinking about getting one but I'm going to wait until my next computer upgrade and see if I really need it.

[philper]

I have a UAD-1, but have found only RealVerb (of the plugs I got) to be useful in post.

Philip Perkins

[danijel]

i know a team of 4 people who do TV post, and they all use 1176LN for dialog (in nuendo), and they swear by it as the best dialog compressor.
i find it inconvenient, because (AFAIK) you can't set it to just compress louder parts, leaving the softer untouched - it somehow fiddles with everything due to the unconventional knob set (e.g. no gain makeup). i like to be able to bypass compressor on a soft part of dialog and see no change in volume....
besides 1176LN, they don't use any other UAD stuff, don't know why. perhaps waves eq is easier to automate?

[soundslikejoe]

I've found the desser, transient designer, precision multiband, and cambridge eq to be useful. The only downside is none of these are included with the card.

Anyone else tried these?

[Flipsid3]

Originally Posted by joenovice

I've found the desser, transient designer, precision multiband, and cambridge eq to be useful. The only downside is none of these are included with the card.

Anyone else tried these?

Tell me about it :( The precision bundle is $500 I haven't tried the transient designer but seems interesting. As for the Cambridge EQ I LOVE IT!

Originally Posted by Matt_C

One problem with using the UAD for post is that you need to be sure other people in the chain will have access to those plug-ins, or you have to bounce all the treatments you do with them to disk. Even that would be annoying if all someone needs to do is tweak the reverb slightly or whatever.

Thats a good point. But I'm such a newb that I'm just stripping the audio from the video and scoring my own. This way I can get good practice. If I ever break the market I will move towards a more pro setup....For now the UAD will have to do. Thanks though

Originally Posted by danijel

i know a team of 4 people who do TV post, and they all use 1176LN for dialog (in nuendo), and they swear by it as the best dialog compressor.
i find it inconvenient, because (AFAIK) you can't set it to just compress louder parts, leaving the softer untouched - it somehow fiddles with everything due to the unconventional knob set (e.g. no gain makeup). i like to be able to bypass compressor on a soft part of dialog and see no change in volume....
besides 1176LN, they don't use any other UAD stuff, don't know why. perhaps waves eq is easier to automate?

I think its just as easy to automate a waves eq in comparison to UAD plugins. Same concept

As for the 1176 LN...I love that compressor...

[jeremy.c.]

Originally Posted by danijel

i know a team of 4 people who do TV post, and they all use 1176LN for dialog (in nuendo), and they swear by it as the best dialog compressor.
i find it inconvenient, because (AFAIK) you can't set it to just compress louder parts, leaving the softer untouched - it somehow fiddles with everything due to the unconventional knob set (e.g. no gain makeup). i like to be able to bypass compressor on a soft part of dialog and see no change in volume....
besides 1176LN, they don't use any other UAD stuff, don't know why. perhaps waves eq is easier to automate?

It sounds like what you're looking for is more of a limiter and not a compressor? As soon as you touch the make-up gain on a compressor you're increasing the volume level of all parts, maybe you just need something to tame the loud parts, give them a ceiling? The multi-band might be good for this too.

at any rate, I love the Cambridge EQ and the Precision Limiter and Multiband Comp. The Limiter kills the Waves L1-L2 IMO. So far I am doing all post audio on my own so compatibility of plug-ins is not an issue for me, though I can see what a headache that would make...

[danijel]

Originally Posted by olivia_nb

As soon as you touch the make-up gain on a compressor you're increasing the volume level of all parts, ....

i never touch the make-up gain, and the problem with 1176LN (for me) was it has internal threshold / makeup, so i never know exactly what i'm doing. anyway, people shouldn't be worried about that kind of issues as long as it sounds good. i'm just too tidy = compulsive-obsessive

[Flipsid3]

Originally Posted by danijel

i never touch the make-up gain, and the problem with 1176LN (for me) was it has internal threshold / makeup, so i never know exactly what i'm doing. anyway, people shouldn't be worried about that kind of issues as long as it sounds good. i'm just too tidy = compulsive-obsessive

So if you don't touch the make up gain on the 1176n or any other compressor what do you do if you need more volume after compressing? Simply bring up the fader or don't compress the signal too much ?

[Loa]

me also use 1176 for soap post, and i don't mind his behaviour while not officialy compressing, although i would like to have autogain feature on it. As the matter a fact i use it being the part of bigger team set-up around Nuendo template. Nevertheless, mine contribution to this template was obligatory use of Precission Limiter, 'cause it's mindblowing capability of handling very high levels. Yess, it kinda dulls things a little, but for TV soap use, benefits are more valuable.
Also i use pultec eq as a slight "brightener" of all clasical music scores i got for mixing.
Cambridge is excellent also, we have preset set for telephone simulation, as well for cleaning bad lav wirelles reception (sharp as a knife!)

[tilman]

I have used the transientdesigner on some Set Sound Dialog
passages that had to much room reverb. It improved the quality a lot!
The cool thing is now that it is a plugin you can automate it!!!

Anyone made similar experiences with the transientdesigner?

[undergroundtoon]

Originally Posted by danijel

i know a team of 4 people who do TV post, and they all use 1176LN for dialog (in nuendo), and they swear by it as the best dialog compressor.
i find it inconvenient, because (AFAIK) you can't set it to just compress louder parts, leaving the softer untouched - it somehow fiddles with everything due to the unconventional knob set (e.g. no gain makeup). i like to be able to bypass compressor on a soft part of dialog and see no change in volume....
besides 1176LN, they don't use any other UAD stuff, don't know why. perhaps waves eq is easier to automate?

What else do they have in the rack for vocal comp's? TV post wise............

[Beyersound]

Originally Posted by danijel

i know a team of 4 people who do TV post, and they all use 1176LN for dialog (in nuendo), and they swear by it as the best dialog compressor.
i find it inconvenient, because (AFAIK) you can't set it to just compress louder parts, leaving the softer untouched - it somehow fiddles with everything due to the unconventional knob set (e.g. no gain makeup). i like to be able to bypass compressor on a soft part of dialog and see no change in volume....
besides 1176LN, they don't use any other UAD stuff, don't know why. perhaps waves eq is easier to automate?

What do you mean no makeup? The output is a makeup gain and switches out when you bypass. It also can attenuate when you crank the input gain hard to hit threshold. When set properly, there is no change in volume on bypass.

[danijel]

Originally Posted by undergroundtoon

What else do they have in the rack for vocal comp's? TV post wise............

nothing. they don't have a chance to use 2 different dynamic processors in a work flow as blazing as that. the 1176ln is set on each dialog track to punish any a-misbehaving actor who tries to fly over the cuckoo's nest.

BTW, my choice for such work is waves C4, because it takes less eq-ing and de-essing after it does its part.

[undergroundtoon]

I would like to try the C4. What is the smallest bundle pack i can get with the C4 in it?

[danijel]

Originally Posted by Beyersound

What do you mean no makeup? The output is a makeup gain and switches out when you bypass. It also can attenuate when you crank the input gain hard to hit threshold. When set properly, there is no change in volume on bypass.

thanks for the info. at the time of writing that post, i didn't define my frustration with 1176ln well, because i don't own it, and it has been a while since i tested it.
but now i will try (correct me if i'm wrong):
if i just want to move the threshold lower (in terms of standard compressor controls), i would in fact have to move the input up, and the output down (to compensate, due to the internal threshold). so, it would involve a lot of fiddlin' to satisfy my compulsive-obsessive need to be able to bypass at any given sample, and see the low levels untouched.
but, as you said, it certainly is possible!

[danijel]

Originally Posted by Flipsid3

So if you don't touch the make up gain on the 1176n or any other compressor what do you do if you need more volume after compressing? Simply bring up the fader or don't compress the signal too much ?

i try to automate as few a parameters as possible. this is why i use volume automation after compression, as i automate volume anyway.

[Beyersound]

Originally Posted by danijel

thanks for the info. at the time of writing that post, i didn't define my frustration with 1176ln well, because i don't own it, and it has been a while since i tested it.
but now i will try (correct me if i'm wrong):
if i just want to move the threshold lower (in terms of standard compressor controls), i would in fact have to move the input up, and the output down (to compensate, due to the internal threshold). so, it would involve a lot of fiddlin' to satisfy my compulsive-obsessive need to be able to bypass at any given sample, and see the low levels untouched.
but, as you said, it certainly is possible!

You are correct, but it is a fairly quick process. I do it all the time when mixing, and the controls on the UAD are pretty linear. I would do a quick bypass/compare after setting it to make sure levels match.