Nuendo for Post first Impression....First mix done!

[The Chinese]

Well it's early on in this process, but I thought I'd share my experience....

IT's a damn good program. There are somethings that are very handy, especially when used in conjunction with the MC. I love the way that I can use the scroll wheel to trim, move, and add fades. I like the faster than realtime Mixdown export (that sounds indistinuishable from a hard output re-record...and more in sync!). The deep connection between the S5MC and the software is obvious. All in all well done.

However.....(he he he)

A) Not being able to route internally is a Huge knock against it. This is just not OK. Not sure if there's a technical barrier here, but this needs to get added...(rumor has it that it may be in N4).

B) There doesn't seem to be a destructive type mode in the software, forcing a manual Bouce or Mixdown Export to create Stems or PM's. While I *think* the Mixdown algorhythms are excellent, I feel like I really need to Re-Record in Real time and have a single file at the end of the day.

C) The Fader resolution issue is plain silly. But that's between Euphonix and Nuendo may or may not affect other users (Anyone on a HUI/Mackie Control w Nuendo???)

More impressions later, and keep in mind this is just the beginning....

-El Chino aka Todd A.

[philper]

I thought someone mentioned some VSTs than allowed you to do some internal routing in Nuendo (was that here?)? (Senderella?) For making stems--what you want is to be able to record-as-you-go while punching in, a la dubber (and now PT)? As opposed to doing a faster than real time bounce once all the automation is written?

Philip Perkins

[The Chinese]

Originally Posted by philper

I thought someone mentioned some VSTs than allowed you to do some internal routing in Nuendo (was that here?)? (Senderella?) For making stems--what you want is to be able to record-as-you-go while punching in, a la dubber (and now PT)? As opposed to doing a faster than real time bounce once all the automation is written?

Philip Perkins

Apparently that's the case, but sync issues arise that would make it unusable in a sync environment. Not really interested in using a workaround like that when there's already a tool that does this perfectly. Hopefully Steinberg/Yamaha will take the reports to heart. Time will tell.

-Todd A.

[Steven1145]

I agree on the fact that Nuendo absolutely needs real destructive recording or "tape mode". On the few mixes done at our studio that were edited on PT (vs all the others that we edited in Nuendo), we used our Nuendo rig as a stem recorder. Bouncing at the end of the day takes some of the fun out of it...

That being said Nuendo was more than happy to read back the 24 tracks of 24bit dialog premixes and record 30 tracks at 24 bit for the final stems at the same time. It rocks

Steven

[introvert]

SilverSpike's TapeIt2 can be used for laying off stems. If you sub the needed tracks down group channels, you can insert TapeIt2 on each of those groups, sync them (the plugin can sync its multiple instances) and lay off that way. I've not tried it, but I understand it's extremely solid, so it might be worth investigating.

The idea of using Senderella to route around and do stems, though, does cause sync issues. You're right, it won't be useful to you in your environment.

[philper]

But TAPEIT wouldn't give you a seamless one-piece stem if you stopped, rolled back and punched in. That can only be done in PT (and on dubbers like MMR8 etc) as far as I know. Maybe you could run a small PT system as your dubber with the stem outputs from your Nuendo?

Philip Perkins

[The Chinese]

Originally Posted by philper

But TAPEIT wouldn't give you a seamless one-piece stem if you stopped, rolled back and punched in. That can only be done in PT (and on dubbers like MMR8 etc) as far as I know. Maybe you could run a small PT system as your dubber with the stem outputs from your Nuendo?

Philip Perkins

Well, yes, We are primarily a ProTools Stage, so we have that in place. My interest in Nuendo is from a more educational standpoint, as as a mixer integration with the S5MC...

On a side note, I had a very good visit from Steinberg Customer Support today- they actually came out to the studio!!! Seems like they are definitely taking this seriously...

-Todd A.

[philper]

Originally Posted by The Chinese

Well, yes, We are primarily a ProTools Stage, so we have that in place. My interest in Nuendo is from a more educational standpoint, as as a mixer integration with the S5MC...

On a side note, I had a very good visit from Steinberg Customer Support today- they actually came out to the studio!!! Seems like they are definitely taking this seriously...

-Todd A.

That IS impressive. But to me they really have to get that "seamless stem recording" thing going as well as deal with the routing issues for it really to be a good dubstage tool.

Philip Perkins

[The Chinese]

Originally Posted by philper

That IS impressive. But to me they really have to get that "seamless stem recording" thing going as well as deal with the routing issues for it really to be a good dubstage tool.

Philip Perkins

I agree 100%. I believe that will be in N4, but I do not know when that will be released.

-Todd

[BenLoftis]

philper,

There is another option for destructive recording: Harrison's Xdubber (www.motherdubber.com) and/or the Ardour (http://www.ardour.org) workstation.

Ardour is an open-source DAW which has gained a rather large following of professional and amateur developers. The new version, Ardour2, is in public Beta testing. A track in Ardour2 can be set to "tape mode" for destructive recording. It records to broadcast wave files, and we've tested it extensively here. Our AP reports perfect bit-for-bit playback of the recorded material. Synchronization is limited to MMC/MTC, but is quite good.

There is a free OS X package at the website. You need to download the latest beta package from the home page (not the 0.99.3 stable release), and meet the requirements listed on the "downloads" page.

The Xdubber is a tested, Linux-based, Ardour system from Harrison that adds 9pin machine control and video sync inputs for sample-accurate sync. We also added the ability to record at 32-bit depth directly from our console outputs. Our continuing efforts to make Ardour work in a post-production environment sometimes make their way into the free version of Ardour, so please try it out!


Ben Loftis
http://www.harrisonconsoles.com

[funkcity]

Go see Euphonix at NAB next week.

Todd, you are hardly the first to bring up these Nuendo gotchas.

However, a little birdie told me that they may have some answers and updates concerning your exact A,B, and C concerns!

The Yamaha and Steinberg folks will be there with some very interesting solutions.

[The Chinese]

Originally Posted by funkcity

Go see Euphonix at NAB next week.

Todd, you are hardly the first to bring up these Nuendo gotchas.

However, a little birdie told me that they may have some answers and updates concerning your exact A,B, and C concerns!

The Yamaha and Steinberg folks will be there with some very interesting solutions.

He he he...Wayyy ahead on that particular curve ny friend, I've just been sworn to Omerta!! he he.

At this juncture I'm more concerned with th MC Issues I'm running into.

-Todd A.

[funkcity]

to define...

"Omerta"

A common definition is the "code of silence". Within Mafia culture, breaking the oath of omertà is punishable by death.

to define

"Motherdubber"

Just a GREAT name for a product!

NAB will be fun this year !!