Pro Tools 8 - my personal speculation

[danijel]

Originally Posted by soundguydave

And with the Bin thing, it can't be that hard! If every other piece of software can do it, why can't protools? Some sessions can have thousands of files and the bin can get pretty unruly at times.

If we're talking advanced bins, like those that were discussed in another thread - bins that can hold embedded timelines, layered FX, etc, than I understand what you all want, but that's science fiction ATM. If you just want simple bins to organize your files inside a session, then let me tell you how I use Nuendo's Pool Folders - I don't.

At first I thought it would be cool to arrange files into folders - first by source (dia, libFX, foley, etc), and then by type (cars, guns etc), so that I could find them easier should I need them again in the same session.

But:

1) It takes time to keep everything organized. Every time you drop a new FX onto timeline, you have to open the pool and move it to a proper folder. Sometimes you forget to do it, so after some time the root folder gets cluttered, and you have to sit and listen to all the files (or at least read their filenames) and then move them. If you have several years to finish a feature, than organize bins.

2) It is easier to find a specific file in the timeline than in the pool. Your memory will sooner recall the exact spot in the film (or the timeline) where you have that specific kaPOW, than the name of the file which is still one among many in the 'guns' folder. Chances are, it is also layered in the timeline, and you can pick up some tails, impacts and debris on the way.

3) It makes no sense managing you personal library through bins if you already use a library management program, because bins will simply never be as advanced as a dedicated software.

So, the most I will do is to move all the dialogue to a dedicated folder after I import the OMF or conform, but dialog is anyway separated from the rest of the files because usually all the filenames start with the same prefix.....

OK, I just wanted to tell you not to put all that much hope into bins....

CLIP GAIN!

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by danijel

Everytime you drop a new FX onto timeline, you have to open the pool and move it to a proper folder.

I agree with the general point you make, but above is not entirely correct.
Once you have created and selected a folder (say BG's) in the pool, all new imported files will import into that folder. So if you work in a structured way (BG's, Foley, SFX, Temp Music, etc ...) you end up with nicely organized folders in the pool.
I most certainly agree that having separate "cars", "guns" and other folders is somewhat useless. Also, the nice "show clip in pool"-feature makes it easy to find any event in the pool.


Best regards
Fredo

[danijel]

Originally Posted by Fredo

Once you have created and selected a folder (say BG's) in the pool, all new imported files will import into that folder.

Thanks for the tip, I never actually selected a folder while importing

Originally Posted by Fredo

Also, the nice "show clip in pool"-feature makes it easy to find any event in the pool.

Oh, yea - that's a real saver (as clips are not automatically selected in pool when you select them in project).
And the vice-versa 'Select in project' when you want to find all the places where you have used a certain clip from the pool. I wonder if there's a similar function in PT?

BTW, this seems fresh: ************************************************************

[soundguydave]

Simple bins is all that I want. It would be great for me to keep OMF audio in a folder, SFX I imported in one, VO I recorded etc. I cannot imagine that its that difficult, unless digi is trying to skip simple bins and go into some advanced bin system like you mentioned.

[charles maynes]

the bins issue is something I think all PT users would like....


in the meantime, I will offer up my favorite workaround-

I use soundminer, and it the only way that files get added to a session for me-

What I do- is use Soundminers' preference to add a prefix to my added files- in the manner earlier suggested- like cars, guns, air, bg, etc-

I then use the "find" feature to show just the prefixed material I want to go through.


It is a workaround, but it does help....

[audiobob]

Originally Posted by charles maynes

What I do- is use Soundminers' preference to add a prefix to my added files- in the manner earlier suggested- like cars, guns, air, bg, etc-
....

Charles, what is your naming scheme exactly in Soundminer? I've tried this in SM's Transfer prefs but it's not working for me. I'm trying to add the prefix "zfx-" to sound effects going into Pro Tools so it puts them all at the bottom of the regions list.

[georgia]

the new Video Satellite and Video Satellite LE options bring Avid® and QuickTime HD/SD video playback to Pro Tools in high definition, without sacrificing your audio track counts or processing power....


Does this mean no more VVTR ??




makes me actually WANT to purchase a new version of protools.

cheers
geo

[charles maynes]

Originally Posted by audiobob

Charles, what is your naming scheme exactly in Soundminer? I've tried this in SM's Transfer prefs but it's not working for me. I'm trying to add the prefix "zfx-" to sound effects going into Pro Tools so it puts them all at the bottom of the regions list.

PT, as far as I know, alphabetically lists the files in the region bin, so that behavior should be expected- I think the order is numbers first, than alphabet characters-

even so- if you were to do a find in PT, for "zfx" those would be revealed to the exclusion of the files without that character string being present....

[starcrash13]

Originally Posted by danijel

If we're talking advanced bins, like those that were discussed in another thread - bins that can hold embedded timelines, layered FX, etc, than I understand what you all want, but that's science fiction ATM. If you just want simple bins to organize your files inside a session, then let me tell you how I use Nuendo's Pool Folders - I don't.

At first I thought it would be cool to arrange files into folders - first by source (dia, libFX, foley, etc), and then by type (cars, guns etc), so that I could find them easier should I need them again in the same session.

But:

1) It takes time to keep everything organized. Every time you drop a new FX onto timeline, you have to open the pool and move it to a proper folder. Sometimes you forget to do it, so after some time the root folder gets cluttered, and you have to sit and listen to all the files (or at least read their filenames) and then move them. If you have several years to finish a feature, than organize bins.

2) It is easier to find a specific file in the timeline than in the pool. Your memory will sooner recall the exact spot in the film (or the timeline) where you have that specific kaPOW, than the name of the file which is still one among many in the 'guns' folder. Chances are, it is also layered in the timeline, and you can pick up some tails, impacts and debris on the way.

3) It makes no sense managing you personal library through bins if you already use a library management program, because bins will simply never be as advanced as a dedicated software.

So, the most I will do is to move all the dialogue to a dedicated folder after I import the OMF or conform, but dialog is anyway separated from the rest of the files because usually all the filenames start with the same prefix.....

OK, I just wanted to tell you not to put all that much hope into bins....

CLIP GAIN!

If I was a Nuendo user, I wouldn't use bins either. Why use bins, when you can have multiple sessions open? How about having a BG's session, a vehicles session, etc. with cut material to use as a pallette for other reels? That would be manna from heaven.

Rather than fighting for bins in PT, which may never happen and has just become some sort of bad running joke, let's fight for multiple sessions or sequences!

[Geert van den Berg]

Originally Posted by danijel

a - that's a real saver (as clips are not automatically selected in pool when you select them in project).
And the vice-versa 'Select in project' when you want to find all the places where you have used a certain clip from the pool. I wonder if there's a similar function in PT?

There is a pref in PT which does this. Track follows region selection and there's also a vice versa pref.

But no bins... or multiple sessions...

[audiobob]

Originally Posted by charles maynes

PT, as far as I know, alphabetically lists the files in the region bin, so that behavior should be expected- I think the order is numbers first, than alphabet characters-

even so- if you were to do a find in PT, for "zfx" those would be revealed to the exclusion of the files without that character string being present....

Thanks Charles. The problem I'm having is that I've changed the file naming scheme in SM prefs in an attempt to add the prefix "zfx-" to all files imported into pro tools but the prefix fails to be added import. No doubt I'm not putting in the correct code in SM prefs. What is in your SM prefs for adding a prefix?

[charles maynes]

Originally Posted by audiobob

Thanks Charles. The problem I'm having is that I've changed the file naming scheme in SM prefs in an attempt to add the prefix "zfx-" to all files imported into pro tools but the prefix fails to be added import. No doubt I'm not putting in the correct code in SM prefs. What is in your SM prefs for adding a prefix?

In SM4-


go to preferences-transfers

in the "File Naming Scheme" dialog, you should be able to type your "zfx" as follows....

zfx{space}<Description:2>


I used my own setup, because I use the description as the sound file name-

the important thing is to NOT use the <> symbols, because they are variables. If you have plaintext for the prefix, it should work as expected- though if you run into further problems Steve Pecile should be asked....

[dsteinwedel]

Originally Posted by charles maynes

PT, as far as I know, alphabetically lists the files in the region bin, so that behavior should be expected- I think the order is numbers first, than alphabet characters-

ProTools lists alphabetically by default. However in the bin menu is the 'sort by' command. Use 'Source File Modification Date' to get your most recently imported files to show up at the bottom of the list.

-d

[charles maynes]

Originally Posted by dsteinwedel

ProTools lists alphabetically by default. However in the bin menu is the 'sort by' command. Use 'Source File Modification Date' to get your most recently imported files to show up at the bottom of the list.

-d

thanks for making that clarification....

[danijel]

Originally Posted by starcrash13

Why use bins, when you can have multiple sessions open? How about having a BG's session, a vehicles session, etc. with cut material to use as a pallette for other reels?

Yes, I agree that multiple open sessions are much more useful for editors. I do have a massive BG session that I keep filling from project to project.

Originally Posted by Geert van den Berg

There is a pref in PT which does this. Track follows region selection and there's also a vice versa pref.

Thanks.

[audiobob]

Originally Posted by charles maynes

In SM4-


go to preferences-transfers

in the "File Naming Scheme" dialog, you should be able to type your "zfx" as follows....

zfx{space}<Description:2>


I used my own setup, because I use the description as the sound file name-

the important thing is to NOT use the <> symbols, because they are variables. If you have plaintext for the prefix, it should work as expected- though if you run into further problems Steve Pecile should be asked....

I figured it out. Was using the "Send To" tool instead of "Spot to DAW". When using Send To the target application (pro tools) handles the transfer so SM cannot alter the file by renaming it. Using Spot to DAW allows SM to control the transfer, thus being able to add a prefix/suffix the file.

Thanks Charles.

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by minister

Actually........

128 mono or 64 stereo simultaneous tracks @ 48kHz; 96 mono or 48 stereo tracks @ 96kHz

I think it is your avatar that was voted miss-conception, if ya know what I mean............................

Thank you, I'll be here all week and then shuffling off to the Chuckle Hut in Buffalo. Remember to tip your waitresses!

Ok cool, could you show me a reference of where you seen this. I haven't seen anything like that from what I've read so far. Thanks.

I think it is your avatar that was voted miss-conception, if ya know what I mean............................

Hahaha........NO!

[danijel]

Originally Posted by PettyCash

Ok cool, could you show me a reference of where you seen this. I haven't seen anything like that from what I've read so far. Thanks.

It's in the smallprint down at the bottom of this page: Digidesign | News | Product News | Digidesign announces new products at AES 2008

** Requires a Pro Tools LE system running Pro Tools LE 8 software. Up to 128 mono (or 64 stereo) simultaneous audio tracks at 48 kHz; up to 96 mono (or 48 stereo) audio tracks at 96 kHz with a 96 kHz-capable Pro Tools LE interface.

[minister]

Originally Posted by danijel

It's in the smallprint down at the bottom of this page: Digidesign | News | Product News | Digidesign announces new products at AES 2008

** Requires a Pro Tools LE system running Pro Tools LE 8 software. Up to 128 mono (or 64 stereo) simultaneous audio tracks at 48 kHz; up to 96 mono (or 48 stereo) audio tracks at 96 kHz with a 96 kHz-capable Pro Tools LE interface.

Exactly.

[TapeOp]

Does anyone know whether the 002 will be compatible with PT8 ?

[Airon]

DigiTechSupport stated that the 002 support will not be dropped. Here's the post : Digi User Conference - View Single Post - Pro Tools 08 and my Digi 002?

[aleatoric]

finally a sexy GUI!

[Upavas]

Originally Posted by scanner

According to admin at the DUC:

DigiTechSupt
Administrator






Re: How many Busses in Pro Tools 8 LE?
The number of busses will remain the same except in the Complete Toolkit, which will give you 128 busses.




Hmmmm..........

Youi mean paople who have not purchased DV Toolkit will now have the same amount of busses as DV Toolkit owners?
Also I have heard that DV Toolkit owners will be able to go up to 7.1 on LE Systems in PT8!

[K Bartos]

Originally Posted by aleatoric

finally a sexy GUI!

This is gearslutz.
If you're looking for sexy guys, you've come to the wrong place.

[C Heat]

I'd like a 'Hide Pro Tools' key command in the menu item.

So simple but such a head-ache not having it