Originally Posted by chrisso
Charles, you haven't been on this piracy forum much.
It's an absolute given that the debate is about work that is consumed. To have to repeat it in every post is a nonsense.
There is not, nor will there ever be a call to pay musicians who's work is not consumed, whether that's a recording enjoyed, a software instrument used, or a session performance hired for.
If you work on a movie, your are entitled to be paid. If you are unemployed for a week, you aren't entitled to be paid. That's exactly the same state of affairs for musicians. Absolutely fine.
If you find a director has used all your custom designed sound on a second movie, without paying you or crediting you and without your permission, so they can avoid paying your fee, or the fee of any other sound designer, I assume you would be livid. This is what musicians face daily.
Chris, I have my sounds used everyday without permission and with out payment- welcome to my world-
The value I bring to a project is the judgement to make something new- sometimes that might encompass my work from other projects, and sometimes it might use work I have licensed in order to make the finished product.
As I have continued to say- and something which is not really handled well in this bill -
1- Cultural Shift- which does require parents.... My parents had a great saying that is totally germaine to the conversation- "Something for nothing is worth nothing". If people dont value art, and invest in it for their own enjoyment, then we as artists have only two ways to address it- blocking IP is not in and of itself going to affect the behavior of most of your offenders, they will simply make copies from their friends- much in the way that kids when I was younger made copies of albums onto Cassettes...
We can deny them the art- or we can accept that there are shitheads out there who can burn in hell. Either way, It doesnt affect us, because they werent going to pay for it anyway.
2- Defining piracy as a real crime, and treating those who pirate as criminals.
If we started viewing kids who pirate as the actual turds they are, and start treating them as such, the first point will take hold a lot quicker. THIS IS CLEARLY DEFINED IN EXISTING LAW.
3- Actively shutting down the pirate sites in their home countries. All it takes is money....
THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO DO. It must be pursued in Foreign courts by the parties directly affected.
again, the premise of the SOPA act (in the lesser domain of media piracy, vs corporate copywright control) is to essentially allow those ****ers to continue to operate and essentially closing the door to our bedroom which is on fire and going and watching TV while the house is consumed.... And frankly, it is disingenious to the small artist- it is geared to further empower those who can bring injunctive effort to the attention of the court. There is no special agent who is going to track the internet for Ray's Beatz, or Joe Bobs Metal Nightmare without formal complaint and evidence of offense. I am not sure how many here have actually engaged the American criminal justice system, but it is not fast, nor cheap, nor easy.
so, thanks but no thanks- I think we can do a whole lot better for the money spent.
On these personal accounts of how much has been lost due to piracy- I can say pretty confidently I have lost at least 50k in earnings from products I receive royalties on. I do know how many units have been sold, and I know of a number of users who have my work without paying for it.... That is the cost of doing business in the digital age I guess. That being said, I have not done badly on the return of those products, so I am inclined to put more stuff into the market place.
in that "personal stories" thread- out of 4 pages of posts, there were 2 GS members who were directly affected by it. I know you have been Chris, and I share your anger- however, your Internet isnt the one being potentially blocked, mine is.
did you know that the ACLU and Amnesty International were also against SOPA?
as well as these organizations? https://s3.amazonaws.com/access.3cdn..._v0m6bxvv4.pdf