Originally Posted by AwwDeOhh
I'm not naive enough to believe piracy can be completely eliminated. But, i'm of the belief that it doesn't have to be completely eliminated to not be the major factor it is today.
A "good enough" solution is all that is needed. Keep honest people honest... let the hacker pukes do what they do, just keep it in their little circles..
Trouble is, most teenagers I know all know exactly what sites to go to to get the latest films, music etc.
I don't believe that anything can be done now to combat Piracy from a law/ISP point, I'm not condoning piracy, I just really really don't see what can be done.
The internet is like this huge man made virus that's been released on the world and nothing can be done to combat it.
OK obviously the internet is excellent in many areas, its just that as far as piracy is concerned, as far as teenagers, uni students etc are concerned, it's something that's simply got out of control and I don't see any way of raining it back.
It's no longer just geeky hackers with the knowledge.
I would like to know what realistically can be done to prevent piracy, I cant see anything, this is a genuine question.
For example the UK, US or wherever brings out laws blocking certain sites, what's to stop anyone using a VPN to make out they're in a different country, these cost less and less and the ISP would have zero knowledge of what sites you are accessing through one. And while VPN might be unknown to a lot of people, a 5 line description can tell a student etc how to set one up and if the sites get blocked, this sort of info will get spread around in hours.
My daughters at Uni in the UK, her circle of friends are all studying things like History, English etc, nothing technical. All of them for example know how to stream US TV shows straight to their laptops yet if you or I went to those sites, we would get told they're not available to those living outside the US.
Someone in a country say Russia, China or where ever, sets up a site with pirate links etc, there's simply nothing any UK/US isp can do to stop people accessing it and no law in say the UK will apply to the web owners in say Russia.
A few years ago I would have agreed that it's more of a geek thing, but nowadays, instructions, sites, links etc are passed around via pms, facebook, email etc almost instantaneously and its no longer just the geeks that have no problems accessing it.
The cat has been let out of the bag and I don't see anyway of stopping it.
I also worry about teenagers being criminalised for something that's always gone on. As I've said in another post, 32 years ago when I was 15, I taped loads off the radio, I'd go out and buy say the latest Stranglers LP, my friend would buy the latest Damned LP, I would tape his and he would tape mine.
This has always gone on which is why a lot of parents shrug their shoulders at it.
However, what is different now is that if the internet was around then, what would probably have happened is, I would have downloaded the latest Stranglers, Damned, Buzzcocks Ramones etc etc etc album without spending a single penny on any as would have my friends.
With so many consumer products for the youth to spend their money on nowadays, having virtually the entire worlds music library available to download from numerous different locations free of charge with just a couple of clicks of a mouse, I imagine that if I was a teenager, I would be doing the same.
Again I'm not in anyway condoning piracy but I do think people need to get away from the argument that downloading music is the same as breaking into a store and stealing a physical item. If you use the argument that piracy is theft, piracy is stealing etc, you simply end up with thousands of people shaking their heads and saying (correctly in my opinion) that photocopying a book, copying someones DVD, downloading something etc is not the same as going into someones house and depriving them of a physical item, stealing their car etc.
People will use such arguments such as "If I go into your house, identical shape and size to mine, and see you have a bespoke kitchen built, I like it and build an identical one, or I see a pic on your wall, I'm a 1st class artise and I go back to my studio and paint an identical copy, I have not stolen anything"
I agree with the above 100%. There's a huge difference between stealing something and not rewarding someone for using their invention.
Again, I'm not trying to stick up for pirating, I'm simply saying if people really want this addressed, people need to stop the piracy is theft argument and use a completely different approach instead.
Personally I think a short advert on the beginning of a DVD or in the cinema not mentioning the word theft, but constructively pointing out how you would feel if you invented something but never got rewarded for your hard work, it would have a much bigger effect than simply using an argument that really isn't factual no matter how deprived people whose work is pirated might feel.
We need to change peoples attitude, it is possible, it will take time but if its approached ion the right way, I believe piracy could be severely reduced, but we need to start this from a sensible view point that's not going to get people switching off at the first second when they're accused of being a thief.