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it's too early to tell without details. the one thing that could really make apple's service work is the shear size of itunes marketshare if the cloud/streaming is tied to purchase history.

imagine if every song you ever have purchased from itunes is now suddenly available on all your platforms instantly. only apple/itunes have a large enough existing purchase history for this to be a win for both consumers and labels.

seems like the labels would be schizophrenic in this case having abolished DRM to give Amazon a competitive advantage on launch of their MP3 store - if the streaming is tied to purchase history, competitors will have a very hard time gaining ground.

and... being that the reports are that apple is getting license agreements or contracts of some kind finalized with the labels (and probably the major publishers as well) there is a very real likelihood that there could also be a paid subscription or transactional streaming model better suited to the labels desires than a US Spotify launch.

however it plays out it should be interesting, and not everything apple does works... PING for example seems to largely ignored as a social media island that very few are interested in visiting.
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You don't need a purchase history and Best Buy already has all of these licenses AFAIK. It takes very little time to scan, fingerprint and verify a library. Google and Amazon can have them as well if they are willing to play ball. Amazon and Google can beat Apple to the punch and Best Buy already has.
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You don't need a purchase history and Best Buy already has all of these licenses AFAIK. It takes very little time to scan, fingerprint and verify a library. Google and Amazon can have them as well if they are willing to play ball. Amazon and Google can beat Apple to the punch and Best Buy already has.
Best Buy?

What are THEY up to?
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Best Buy?

What are THEY up to?
You're asking me? What could I possibly know about the internal workings of the music industry?
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Even a broken clock is right twice each day!
I'm not broken, I just run 15 minutes fast.
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I'm not broken, I just run 15 minutes fast.
So now, if you were traveling in a spaceship at the speed of light and you looked at your wristwatch... would you see anything?
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So now, if you were traveling in a spaceship at the speed of light and you looked at your wristwatch... would you see anything?
Who would look at their wrist watch if they were in a spaceship traveling the speed of light?
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Damn. Thought I could catch you in a trick question!
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You don't need a purchase history and Best Buy already has all of these licenses AFAIK. It takes very little time to scan, fingerprint and verify a library. Google and Amazon can have them as well if they are willing to play ball. Amazon and Google can beat Apple to the punch and Best Buy already has.
So how do the licenses work and what are the mechanics of the apple deal?


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You don't need a purchase history and Best Buy already has all of these licenses AFAIK. It takes very little time to scan, fingerprint and verify a library. Google and Amazon can have them as well if they are willing to play ball. Amazon and Google can beat Apple to the punch and Best Buy already has.
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You're asking me? What could I possibly know about the internal workings of the music industry?
If you don't know anything then please shut up and go away.

If you do then please stop acting like an ass and answer the question.

And the question wasn't really about the music industry - it was about Best Buy. Do you actually have information or are you blowing smoke as usual?
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So how do the licenses work and what are the mechanics of the apple deal?
How should he know?
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How should he know?
He seems to be speaking from a place of authority on the subject so I assumed he actually knows what he's talking about. Oh well that's teh internets for you.


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He seems to be speaking from a place of authority on the subject so I assumed he actually knows what he's talking about. Oh well that's teh internets for you.


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With a anonymous screen-name like Neenja (and 'Gear On The Go' to be fair) we could be talking about a high schooler with an active imagination.
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With a anonymous screen-name like Neenja (and 'Gear On The Go' to be fair) we could be talking about a high schooler with an active imagination.
Or a guy in the mail room at Google.
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could someone tell me the history on how playing back a song from a remote file store became classified as a "stream?"

I dont get it.

I buy a song.. I store it somewhere , who cares where. I play it back. (which I am entitled to do, I own it )

How is that a any different that what i do today ? (from my local hard drive )
Where does that playback become a stream ?
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could someone tell me the history on how playing back a song from a remote file store became classified as a "stream?"

I dont get it.

I buy a song.. I store it somewhere , who cares where. I play it back. (which I am entitled to do, I own it )

How is that a any different that what i do today ? (from my local hard drive )
Where does that playback become a stream ?
If you'd bothered to read the article you'd know that's not what this is about. With this new Apple service you don't have to buy the song.
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You're asking me? What could I possibly know about the internal workings of the music industry?
Since when is knowing what best buy is up to equal to knowing about the internal workings of the music industry? Last time I checked Best Buy was a retailer of electronics

Did I miss something?
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Since when is knowing what best buy is up to equal to knowing about the internal workings of the music industry? Last time I checked Best Buy was a retailer of electronics

Did I miss something?
Apparently you missed everything.
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Yes, no recent news. If they had a practical plan, they would likely have launched by now.
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