In the end Piracy will prevail

[MusicProducer]

May I have your votes please?

[chrisso]

No.

[rack gear]

the internet is in it's wild west phase, it won't be wild forever.

with more consequences, there will be less piracy.

Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act

"Crime Is Crime"

[Geoff Waddington]

I've seen some pretty ridiculous statements on GS, but this transcends ludicrous.

Of course it cannot prevail, think about it !!

If it prevailed that means nobody would be getting paid for what they create.

Therefore they would either:

Stop creating -- voila -- now there's nothing to pirate.

Create for free -- voila -- now there's nothng to pirate

GEEEEEZZZ

[MusicProducer]

Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington

Therefore they would either:

Stop creating -- voilà -- now there's nothing to pirate.

Create for free -- voilà -- now there's nothing to pirate

GEEEEEZZZ

It seems you figured it all out. How could we all have missed that end result??

Thank you for your response. It's highly appreciated

[MusicProducer]

Originally Posted by purple vista

the internet is in it's wild west phase, it won't be wild forever.

with more consequences, there will be less piracy.

Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act

"Crime Is Crime"

+1

The question is; Who is going to enforce these consequences? Do we legal software owners have to pay even more to uphold the law? Are we willing too?

[John Eppstein]

Originally Posted by MusicProducer

+1

The question is; Who is going to enforce these consequences? Do we legal software owners have to pay even more to uphold the law? Are we willing too?

Last time I looked law enforcement was paid for by all the taxpayers.

[RubixGroove]

We're in the era of the war on knowledge.
First battleground is the Internet.
Pirating seems to be a great excuse to bring more control to the Internet.
This should be scary.
**** your pocketbooks.
There are some larger, darker days ahead for our beloved playground.
The Internet.

I will get flamed, but only by those who's dollar is worth more to them than a pool of knowledge.


Peace.

[chrisso]

That's funny in light of your signature.
Personally I can't see my pocketbook effected much by piracy.
I witness projects i'd love to see happen being cancelled due to piracy.
I also fear for the future of young musicians.
In the end you are as selfish as everyone else.
Your priority is an internet free-for-all, my priority is protecting creative people.

[MusicProducer]

Originally Posted by John Eppstein

Last time I looked law enforcement was paid for by all the taxpayers.

This year only piracy sites had 53B visitors. Who is going to enforce that John? That's all I am asking.

I am not starting a debate if the current methode(law enforcement that fight piracy) is working yes or no.

[boon]

so, if piracy prevails in the end what will it be prevailing over????

likely.. nothing that anyone would want to pay for anyways..

will music be shareware, donation ware.. pay what you want releases?

[chrisso]

Originally Posted by boon

so, if piracy prevails in the end what will it be prevailing over????

likely.. nothing that anyone would want to pay for anyways..

Huh? The legal sales figures for Susan Boyle, Taylor Swift and Eminem completely refute that.
And there's no music software worth paying for????????

[MusicProducer]

Originally Posted by boon

so, if piracy prevails in the end what will it be prevailing over?????

The people that fight it and the protection methods

likely.. nothing that anyone would want to pay for anyways..

+1

will music be shareware, donation ware.. pay what you want releases?

Sadly to say that seems to be the course. In a couple of years and even now the musician will pay even more to make sure everybody hears their music for free so they can sell concert tickets. I would not be surprised if I see that torrent site owners will be paid to put a musician latest song on top on the homepage for free.(hmm, might just have gave away a huge marketing idea, ooh well)

"These days we fight to not give any of our music for free, in a couple of years we will fight to give as much music for free as possible to retain a bigger fan base."
Quoted MusicProducer

[rack gear]

Originally Posted by MusicProducer

This year only piracy sites had 53B visitors. Who is going to enforce that John? That's all I am asking.

I am not starting a debate if the current methode(law enforcement that fight piracy) is working yes or no.

Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act

"Crime Is Crime"

[rack gear]

Originally Posted by MusicProducer

The people that fight it and the protection methods

+1

Sadly to say that seems to be the course. In a couple of years and even now the musician will pay even more to make sure everybody hears their music for free so they can sell concert tickets. I would not be surprised if I see that torrent site owners will be paid to put a musician latest song on top on the homepage for free.(hmm, might just have gave away a huge marketing idea, ooh well)

"These days we fight to not give any of our music for free, in a couple of years we will fight to give as much music for free as possible to retain a bigger fan base."
Quoted MusicProducer

maybe...

drinks, sneakers and cars as yet are not being pirated...

Bands for BRANDS... The Future?

Everything Will Be Corp Sponsored Funding...

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[chrisso]

Can you drink something copied on a 3D printer???

[John Eppstein]

Originally Posted by RubixGroove

We're in the era of the war on knowledge.
First battleground is the Internet.
Pirating seems to be a great excuse to bring more control to the Internet.
This should be scary.
**** your pocketbooks.
There are some larger, darker days ahead for our beloved playground.
The Internet.

I will get flamed, but only by those who's dollar is worth more to them than a pool of knowledge.


Peace.

You know, that's a really offensive attitude; it's essentially insulting to to all artists, everywhere.

I don't know anyone, from a busker on the street to coliseum headliners (and I have known many of both) who do it primarily for money. If your main motivation is money there are many, many other professions in which you could make far more and with far less effort and grief.

We do it because it's what we do.

HOWEVER it would be nice to be able to make back the investment in time, money, and effort ir people actually use our product, rather than having our work stolen by pimply faced pipsqueaks. Who are NOT our fans. Our fans support our work by paying for it.

And don't give me the old song and dance about making it back on gigs. I won't be playing your city because I can't afford to tour. A huge pop artist like Lady Gaga barely breaks even touring.

And don't talk to me about t-shirts, I won't be selling you a shirt because I can't afford to tour. And the vast majority of shirts sold on the internet that are not directly from the band's website are pirated.

Originally Posted by MusicProducer

The people that fight it and the protection methods



+1



Sadly to say that seems to be the course. In a couple of years and even now the musician will pay even more to make sure everybody hears their music for free so they can sell concert tickets. I would not be surprised if I see that torrent site owners will be paid to put a musician latest song on top on the homepage for free.(hmm, might just have gave away a huge marketing idea, ooh well)

"These days we fight to not give any of our music for free, in a couple of years we will fight to give as much music for free as possible to retain a bigger fan base."
Quoted MusicProducer

See above.

[John Eppstein]

Originally Posted by MusicProducer

This year only piracy sites had 53B visitors. Who is going to enforce that John? That's all I am asking.

I am not starting a debate if the current methode(law enforcement that fight piracy) is working yes or no.

"Crime Is Crime"

[John Eppstein]

Originally Posted by purple vista

maybe...

drinks, sneakers and cars as yet are not being pirated...

Wrong. Sneakers certainly are.

[John Eppstein]

Originally Posted by determinimum

Just wait for the 3d printers.

3D printers are prohibitively expensive and don't work for high stress mechanical assemblies such as motors.

We've already been through this. Time to go back to the Sci-Fi channel.

[John Eppstein]

Originally Posted by MusicProducer

"These days we fight to not give any of our music for free, in a couple of years we will fight to give as much music for free as possible to retain a bigger fan base."
Quoted MusicProducer

Tell me, what do you do for a living?

Do you (or have you ever) make or record music professionally?

Have you ever been associated with a professional act or an actual record company?

Have you ever been in a professional recording studio?

Have you ever toured?

If so, was it a "punk-band-inna-van" sort of tour or was it a professionally booked and managed tour?

Urban Dictionary: producer See definition #2.

[MusicProducer]

Originally Posted by John Eppstein

"Crime Is Crime"

tutt

Anyway,

[John Eppstein]

Originally Posted by MusicProducer

tutt

Anyway,

Did you bother to actually watch the video?

[MusicProducer]

Originally Posted by John Eppstein

Tell me, what do you do for a living?

Do you (or have you ever) make or record music professionally?

Have you ever been associated with a professional act or an actual record company?

Have you ever been in a professional recording studio?

Have you ever toured?

If so, was it a "punk-band-inna-van" sort of tour or was it a professionally booked and managed tour?

Urban Dictionary: producer See definition #2.

Hmm, not sure what I did but if I offended you in any way I would like to apologize. I personally think me and all others have been very patient with you and valued your opinion even if it's sometimes very naive. If your sole mission is to have this thread closed with your bickering and insulting just ask. I will ask a moderator to do so. No need to make this a slug-fest.

Thanks.

[chrisso]

Or.....
You could honestly answer the simple questions, have you toured, released a record ? etc....
It's amazing how many times those questions illicit nothing but an attacking response instead of a straightforward one.
The conclusion one draws is there is no straightforward answer that suffices.
I think I disagree with John on a few things..... but 'naive'?.... I think not, certainly not compared to the many young dreamers who post on this part of the forum.

[joelpatterson]

It may not prevail, but it could postvail.

Somebody, stop me already...

[MusicProducer]

Originally Posted by chrisso

Or.....
You could honestly answer the simple questions, have you toured, released a record ? etc....
It's amazing how many times those questions illicit nothing but an attacking response instead of a straightforward one.
The conclusion one draws is there is no straightforward answer that suffices.
I think I disagree with John on a few things..... but 'naive'?.... I think not, certainly not compared to the many young dreamers who post on this part of the forum.

Attacking response???Anyway,
why should I answer questions from someone who is insulting me for absolutely no reason?
If you work that way that's totally up to you. Sorry, but I don't.

"ignore user"... best thing I ever did.

He is entitled to have his opinion. We don't have to approve with it but he is entitled to have it. I am also not sure how to put someone on ignore ...lmao.

[chrisso]

I see nothing 'insulting, or so bad as to close a thread in the below questions.

Originally Posted by John Eppstein

Tell me, what do you do for a living?

Do you (or have you ever) make or record music professionally?

Have you ever been associated with a professional act or an actual record company?

Have you ever been in a professional recording studio?

Have you ever toured?

If so, was it a "punk-band-inna-van" sort of tour or was it a professionally booked and managed tour?

If your great idea is to give away your music for free, it's reasonable to ask what you've been doing with your music up to now, if you've ever sold any music, or funded a major tour.

[MusicProducer]

Originally Posted by chrisso

I see nothing 'insulting, or so bad as to close a thread in the below questions.



If your great idea is to give away your music for free, it's reasonable to ask what you've been doing with your music up to now, if you've ever sold any music, or funded a major tour.

Think you missed this Urban Dictionary: producer See definition #2 in John response.

I am not the type you can insult and after that ask me to jump trough your hoops. Never did, will not start now.

[Gary Ladd]

In the end, I don't think much is gonna prevail at the rate things are going -- Except, just maybe, hard assets.

Western civilization is heading towards towards a day of reckoning that very few are truly prepared for...

Remember; The Internet devalues ALL that it touches.