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16th October 2010
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Still estimates are that 90% of the music found on i-pods was not paid for.
Without question. No surprise there.

But the ipod is a music player. It can't be used to pirate. If it wasn't around, there'd be just as much piracy, just stored on some other drive.

If anything itunes helped the labels and artists by making purchasing mp3s easy; something they apparently couldn't do themselves.

I don't own one myself. CDs are low enough bit rate as it is...
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16th October 2010
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Still estimates are that 90% of the music found on i-pods was not paid for.
What does that even mean? I easily don't pay for 90% of the music I own and haven't paid to see a show in 15 years.
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16th October 2010
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and haven't paid to see a show in 15 years.
Like most of the general public right?
Wrong.
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16th October 2010
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But the ipod is a music player. It can't be used to pirate. If it wasn't around, there'd be just as much piracy, just stored on some other drive.
Uh, music transferred to an iPod an be put on a HD for mass re-distribution, they are not 100% uncrackable...
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Uh, music transferred to an iPod an be put on a HD for mass re-distribution, they are not 100% uncrackable...
"uncracking" isn't even necessary. You're talking about something that has been inherent in any media player since the record player was invented.

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17th October 2010
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"uncracking" isn't even necessary. You're talking about something that has been inherent in any media player since the record player was invented.

Analog hole
On my older iPod, I can read it was connected to USB on PC (minus iToonz) just like an external HD...

Good thing I don't dl tunes via iToonz, like my wife does on her MacBook Pro...and yes, I see her DLs just like my music that I record on it the iPod as memos when doing songwriting.

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"uncracking" isn't even necessary. You're talking about something that has been inherent in any media player since the record player was invented.

Analog hole
On my older iPod, I can read it was connected to USB on PC (minus iToonz) just like an external HD...

Good thing I don't dl tunes via iToonz, like my wife does on her MacBook Pro...and yes, I see her DLs just like the tunes I record on it as memos when doing songwriting.



P.S. Of course anything that is read by a soundcard can be directly transferred to software like SoundForge, including all streaming audio, but generally the audio is severely degraded...
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17th October 2010
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Recently I've gotten a reputation among friends. they all now not to trade, share or talk about stealing or music around me..... maybe some more vigilantes are in need.....
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19th October 2010
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I think Apple have arguably strong armed musicians into the iTunes model.

Additionally, although I suppose you can't expect them to put their thoughts on the record, they continue to design and sell all kinds of media playback devices, with increasing storage capacity (iPod, iPhone, iPad) and have not said one single thing in support of creative people who have been decimated by the resulting free for all.
The silence is in fact deafening.
I argue Apple and itunes would not have succeeded without the consent and active participation of very wealthy media companies. They must be included as the "bad guys" if that is what you seek.

No one is stopping you from being creative - hasn't stopped me. You are conflating creativity with payment - two different things...
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25th January 2011
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I argue Apple and itunes would not have succeeded without the consent and active participation of very wealthy media companies. They must be included as the "bad guys" if that is what you seek.

No one is stopping you from being creative - hasn't stopped me. You are conflating creativity with payment - two different things...
yes, but historically the quality of creativity is shown to improve with better financial support.
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25th January 2011
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Read a great post on Facebook, and I'm paraphrasing here, but it went something like;

I can't believe all the young people graduating with recording and music biz degrees that are griping about not being able to find a job. After all, they've been downloading free music for 10 years.
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25th January 2011
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26th January 2011
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26th January 2011
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Piracy turned me into a newt.
I got better!
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26th January 2011
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29th November 2011
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My story is after 12 years of struggle and expense (demos cost $, esp in Nashville as people expect full tracks, well, up until the last few years) my wife finally co-wrote a country hit. This song has most likely been downloaded millions of times. I'm sure if it hadn't been available for free, many more people would have actually paid for it. As you know the ratio is 20:1, illegal to legal. When I read posts from pirates vilifying the music conglomerates to justify their poor ethical choices, I could lose it. Such pathetic oversimplification. Another favorite diversion is some Marxian double speak about free music making the world a better place, blah, blah, etc. These people have probably never made a dime from intellectual property. Let's get real, they just want their free sh*t.
if it is not too personal Bill, how much was made in your publishing deal on that song?
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29th November 2011
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I think Apple have arguably strong armed musicians into the iTunes model.

Additionally, although I suppose you can't expect them to put their thoughts on the record, they continue to design and sell all kinds of media playback devices, with increasing storage capacity (iPod, iPhone, iPad) and have not said one single thing in support of creative people who have been decimated by the resulting free for all.
The silence is in fact deafening.
did the iTunes store go down?

I know my iTunes store tab is at least 20 to 30 dollars a month....
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30th November 2011
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did the iTunes store go down?

I know my iTunes store tab is at least 20 to 30 dollars a month....
That's the equivalent of about one album a month in the early to mid '70s.

I spent about $500 on CDs within the last few months.
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1st December 2011
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That's the equivalent of about one album a month in the early to mid '70s.

I spent about $500 on CDs within the last few months.
yeah- I dont find much that I am wanting to buy, though I am about to go on a mad Mike Garson CD spending spree....
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1st December 2011
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yeah- I dont find much that I am wanting to buy, though I am about to go on a mad Mike Garson CD spending spree....
Admittedly, a lot of what I buy is old school country, blues, and "classic" rock. When I find a new act I like I try to buy the CD.
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Admittedly, a lot of what I buy is old school country, blues, and "classic" rock. When I find a new act I like I try to buy the CD.
I would expect you to have lovely taste John, I do have to say that I like quite a bit more music than I buy, but that tends to me attempting to live a bit more minimally.

I know its totally heresy, but I do think Lady Gaga is doing some fairly cool stuff-
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1st December 2011
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I would expect you to have lovely taste John, I do have to say that I like quite a bit more music than I buy, but that tends to me attempting to live a bit more minimally.

I know its totally heresy, but I do think Lady Gaga is doing some fairly cool stuff-
Oddly enough I like Gaga too. Not enough to buy any of her stuff, but she doesn't really need me for that.

Of course she's been working at it since she was 6 years old.......
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... When I find a new act I like I try to buy the CD.
How you find them? That's my biggest problem - finding legal ways to find music that I like (usually old and/or well off the mainstream). My wife has it even worse, with her current interest in Middle Eastern music. Almost all of her purchases are from overseas sites, usually small run CDs, not available for download and the shipping costs are eye-watering.
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How you find them? That's my biggest problem - finding legal ways to find music that I like (usually old and/or well off the mainstream). My wife has it even worse, with her current interest in Middle Eastern music. Almost all of her purchases are from overseas sites, usually small run CDs, not available for download and the shipping costs are eye-watering.
i usually go through Amazon
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Shipping from Amazon to here usually costs more than the CD. And few of the ones we're interested in have streaming previews.
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Shipping from Amazon to here usually costs more than the CD. And few of the ones we're interested in have streaming previews.
sometimes exotica does cost more... Usually I will try to bind it to specific purchases to get free or reduced cost shipping though.
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How you find them? That's my biggest problem - finding legal ways to find music that I like (usually old and/or well off the mainstream). My wife has it even worse, with her current interest in Middle Eastern music. Almost all of her purchases are from overseas sites, usually small run CDs, not available for download and the shipping costs are eye-watering.
References from friends, opening acts at shows, stuff like that. Sometimes I'll hear something at a bar and ask who it is.
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1st December 2011
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sometimes exotica does cost more... Usually I will try to bind it to specific purchases to get free or reduced cost shipping though.
Um, Don is in New Zealand.....
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Um, Don is in New Zealand.....
Is Amazon not serving New Zealand?
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Is Amazon not serving New Zealand?
Yes, but I seriously doubt the shipping charges to NZ are anything remotely like they are in the USA.
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